View Poll Results: What should happen to the lost pilots?

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  • They are too irresponsible to get nothing less than permanent ban from commercial flying

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  • Since it's a first offense they should only get a suspension

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  • They should get a warning

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  • Why all the fuss? Everyone has lapses from time to time

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Thread: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coon County View Post
    They only had their flight status yanked, it's up to the airline to fire them....
    Justifyable, IMO, derelection of duty.....
    They should be flogged......
    What happens when you are caught off watch on a naval or commercial vessel?......
    They are not telling the truth about what happened....
    The carrier gave everyone a $500 dollar refund, that should take care of any claims for any 'lost time', 'pain & suffering', etc. nonsense...
    It is against airline policy to be on a laptop for any reason while in the cockpit. For that they should be fired. I am talking about the revoking of their licenses.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Something like this is impossible to vote on.
    We do not know the complete situation nor the conditions nor the pilots themselves, as men....
    We only know what be read...too many sources are biased; others are poorly written...so our opinions are worthless or worse.

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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Licenses should be yanked......

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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    No. I am arguing comparing this to a drunken driver is nothing but a bad fallacy argument.
    Impaired driver impaired pilot,why should it matter?


    And because she alerted them this somehow proves they are asleep, how? Keep reaching man.
    They were either asleep or they were doing something that impaired their ability to do their job.
    You did not read the whole thing did you?

    "Each pilot accessed and used his personal laptop computer while they discussed the airline crew flight scheduling procedure,"

    "The first officer, who was more familiar with the procedure, was providing instruction to the captain."Neither pilot said he was aware of where the plane was until a flight attendant called the cockpit about five minutes before the plane was to have landed and asked their estimated time of arrival, the report said.
    "Oh Mom, thank God you’re home. Rallo probably already told you that I was going to the library to get him some new books. But on the way I was mugged by six Al-Qaeda’s. And I said, Oh you don’t Al-Qaeda’s. And I faught ‘em off one by one. I faught off six Al-Qaeda’s!”(May not make any sense if you didn't watch the Cleveland show,basically it is the teenage daughter using a bull **** excuse to her mother for why she wasn't home watching her littler brother)



    Nothing about sleeping here either.
    Probably because those pilots think somehow convincing people that they were doing something else that was distracting/imparing their ability to properly do their jobs will some how get them leniancy.

    From your own article...

    "After landing at Minneapolis-St. Paul, both voluntarily underwent alcohol breath tests, which proved negative, the report said."

    No evidence exists that they were impaired in anyway.



    Irrelevant???? OK.



    Nothing of the sort has been shown even according to your own article. You are jumping to conclusions based on hyped speculation, period.

    So far you have shown nothing to back up your accusations at all.



    All that means at this point is they were not paying attention, nothing more.
    I got a bridge to sell you.
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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    It is better proof than you have. So far you have proof of what? Nothing.

    I have the pilots own story's, true or not will remain to be seen.

    Until then you again have nothing.
    That's my point: we haven't been given the actual reason. Of course I would therefore "have nothing", they're hiding it.

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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coon County View Post
    They only had their flight status yanked, it's up to the airline to fire them....
    Justifyable, IMO, derelection of duty.....
    They should be flogged......
    What happens when you are caught off watch on a naval or commercial vessel?......
    They are not telling the truth about what happened....
    The carrier gave everyone a $500 dollar refund, that should take care of any claims for any 'lost time', 'pain & suffering', etc. nonsense...
    I bet the check stated "by cashing this check I agree not to sue...."

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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's my point: we haven't been given the actual reason. Of course I would therefore "have nothing", they're hiding it.
    You are 100% Certain of this? What if they are not lying. What if they (God forbid) actually told the truth.

    So we do have their word so far, and in any court that is evidence. Whether you want to accept it or not.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    You are 100% Certain of this? What if they are not lying. What if they (God forbid) actually told the truth.

    So we do have their word so far, and in any court that is evidence. Whether you want to accept it or not.
    Uh, no, the only time anyone's word is evidence is when they're a cop or similar where the law expressly gives them that level of trust.

    The pilots keep saying they were discussing policy. Not the airline. Not the Fed. Have you noticed that the investigators are usually the ones to deliver the facts, and in this case the investigators are silent?
    Last edited by Jerry; 10-28-09 at 01:03 PM.

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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Uh, no, the only time anyone's word is evidence is when they're a cop or similar where the law expressly gives them that level of trust.
    You know this is not true. I being an ex LEO have been in court enough times to say that is absolutely not true. It depends on the credibility and that is for the courts to decide.

    So far they have done nothing that would call the story they submitted into question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The pilots keep saying they were discussing policy. Not the airline. Not the Fed.
    Please point out where I said this?

    They said they were discussing airline policy.

    What does the Fed have to do with what I said?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Have you noticed that the investigators are usually the ones to deliver the facts, and in this case the investigators are silent?
    Could be that they have not found anything that says different yet. Would not be the first time, will not be the last.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It would be different if they worked at a job that didn't physically involve the lives of others in their hands. Its no different than a soldier who falls asleep on guard duty in a war zone, firefighters who turn their phones and alarms off, a doctor who is call that turns his phone off or goes out drinking or police who sit in their highway patrol car in a parking lot playing video games instead of patrolling the highway looking for speeders and other people who endanger other motorist. Something may not happen the first time or even a dozen times later, but something bad shouldn't have to happen first before something gets done. I am sure that by making an example out of anyone who does this will ensure that no pilot dares to sleep on the job.
    And doctors and nurses who get caught drunk or using narcotics on the job don't normally lose their licenses. Often they don't lose their jobs.

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