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  • They are too irresponsible to get nothing less than permanent ban from commercial flying

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  • Since it's a first offense they should only get a suspension

    10 40.00%
  • They should get a warning

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  • Why all the fuss? Everyone has lapses from time to time

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Thread: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Where did you hear that?
    I read the story?

    "First Officer Richard Cole and Captain Timothy Cheney said they were engrossed in discussing a new company policy."


    The way people are responding, I thought everyone did?
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Criminal charges? That is rich. No one was hurt, no one was in any danger at any time.
    So a drunk shouldn't face any criminal charges as long as he has not ran anyone over or got into a accident?


    They overshot the city by being distracted. Not like that has not happened to anyone before, being distracted I mean.
    They were asleep. And even if they were playing "Ain't ever gonna see any pussy Quest" they were obviously to impaired to pay attention.

    Again anyone who supports zero tolerance for anything instead of accepting responsibility on a case by case basis is a fool.
    You wouldn't want your child's bus driver texting or chatting on a cellphone while driving would you? Why would you want pilots ****ing off or sleeping while they are supposed to watch what they are doing when the have the lives of 50-100 plus people in their hands?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I read the story?

    "First Officer Richard Cole and Captain Timothy Cheney said they were engrossed in discussing a new company policy."


    The way people are responding, I thought everyone did?
    Do you really believe that? That sounds like an excuse an idiotic teenager would come up with.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I read the story?

    "First Officer Richard Cole and Captain Timothy Cheney said they were engrossed in discussing a new company policy."


    The way people are responding, I thought everyone did?
    Oh I thought you had proof or something.

    There's a shroud of secrecy around what exactly they were doing. First the fell asleep, then they were fighting, then they weren't fighting...the excuse keeps changing.

    "We were looking at company policy" sounds like "nothing mom, sally and I were in my room reading the bible, we closed the door so we could focus on the Lord's word"....

    Come on guys, admit it, you were checking out YouPorn and having sex

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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Do you really believe that? That sounds like an excuse an idiotic teenager would come up with.
    I want to see an investigator enforce a search warrant and check out that laptop's bouser history.

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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So a drunk shouldn't face any criminal charges as long as he has not ran anyone over or got into a accident?
    What does being physically impaired (illegal) have to do with anything?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    They were asleep. And even if they were playing "Ain't ever gonna see any pussy Quest" they were obviously to impaired to pay attention.
    Please post some evidence to support this claim they were asleep?

    They were not impaired in any way, that is absolutely not true. They were however distracted by the conversation. Not like that has ever happened to anyone before.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You wouldn't want your child's bus driver texting or chatting on a cellphone while driving would you?
    Fallacy argument.

    #1 Buses don't fly on auto pilot.
    #2 You have a pilot & co-pilot on a plane, not a bus.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Why would you want pilots ****ing off or sleeping while they are supposed to watch what they are doing when the have the lives of 50-100 plus people in their hands?
    They were not "****ing off" and they were not asleep. You obviously know very little about what goes on in a modern commercial aircraft cockpit. The pilot is almost not needed anymore. After takeoff the rout is set and the computer flies the plane until they are coming in close to the destination.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Oh I thought you had proof or something.

    There's a shroud of secrecy around what exactly they were doing. First the fell asleep, then they were fighting, then they weren't fighting...the excuse keeps changing.

    "We were looking at company policy" sounds like "nothing mom, sally and I were in my room reading the bible, we closed the door so we could focus on the Lord's word"....

    Come on guys, admit it, you were checking out YouPorn and having sex
    It is better proof than you have. So far you have proof of what? Nothing.

    I have the pilots own story's, true or not will remain to be seen.

    Until then you again have nothing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    What does being physically impaired (illegal) have to do with anything?
    You are arguing no harm no foul right?

    Please post some evidence to support this claim they were asleep?
    Ignored messages, Off course about a hundred fifty miles a flight,flight attendant had to notify them by intercom.

    Flight attendant alerted pilots who missed airport by 150 miles - Times Online
    Report: Stray jet's pilots were on laptops - CNN.com




    They were not impaired in any way, that is absolutely not true.
    If they were not impaired then we wouldn't be having this discussion because they wouldn't have flew 150 miles past where they were supposed to land.


    Fallacy argument.

    #1 Buses don't fly on auto pilot.
    Irrelevant.Besides the autopilot didn't land the plane for them.

    #2 You have a pilot & co-pilot on a plane, not a bus.
    Both of whom were either asleep of ****ing off but either way they were not doing their job and they were impaired from doing their job.
    They were not "****ing off" and they were not asleep. You obviously know very little about what goes on in a modern commercial aircraft cockpit. The pilot is almost not needed anymore. After takeoff the rout is set and the computer flies the plane until they are coming in close to the destination.
    Obviously they were ****ing off or sleeping because they went a 150 miles past where they were supposed to land and messages by dispatchers were ignored.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You are arguing no harm no foul right?
    No. I am arguing comparing this to a drunken driver is nothing but a bad fallacy argument.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Ignored messages, Off course about a hundred fifty miles a flight,flight attendant had to notify them by intercom.

    Flight attendant alerted pilots who missed airport by 150 miles - Times Online
    And because she alerted them this somehow proves they are asleep, how? Keep reaching man.

    You did not read the whole thing did you?

    "Each pilot accessed and used his personal laptop computer while they discussed the airline crew flight scheduling procedure,"

    "The first officer, who was more familiar with the procedure, was providing instruction to the captain."Neither pilot said he was aware of where the plane was until a flight attendant called the cockpit about five minutes before the plane was to have landed and asked their estimated time of arrival, the report said.

    Nothing about sleeping here either.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If they were not impaired then we wouldn't be having this discussion because they wouldn't have flew 150 miles past where they were supposed to land.
    From your own article...

    "After landing at Minneapolis-St. Paul, both voluntarily underwent alcohol breath tests, which proved negative, the report said."

    No evidence exists that they were impaired in anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Irrelevant.Besides the autopilot didn't land the plane for them.
    Irrelevant???? OK.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Both of whom were either asleep of ****ing off but either way they were not doing their job and they were impaired from doing their job.
    Nothing of the sort has been shown even according to your own article. You are jumping to conclusions based on hyped speculation, period.

    So far you have shown nothing to back up your accusations at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Obviously they were ****ing off or sleeping because they went a 150 miles past where they were supposed to land and messages by dispatchers were ignored.
    All that means at this point is they were not paying attention, nothing more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    They only had their flight status yanked, it's up to the airline to fire them....
    Justifyable, IMO, derelection of duty.....
    They should be flogged......
    What happens when you are caught off watch on a naval or commercial vessel?......
    They are not telling the truth about what happened....
    The carrier gave everyone a $500 dollar refund, that should take care of any claims for any 'lost time', 'pain & suffering', etc. nonsense...

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