View Poll Results: What should happen to the lost pilots?

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  • They are too irresponsible to get nothing less than permanent ban from commercial flying

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  • Since it's a first offense they should only get a suspension

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  • They should get a warning

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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    It was an accident. No one was hurt. Don't punish people for what could have happened. That is exactly what is going on here.

    Typical over reaction.

    No wonder this country is so ****ed up.

    No forgiveness, no understanding that people can make mistakes. You mite as well support zero tolerance laws.
    If they had flown to the wrong city, that would be a mistake. Some mistakes get a second chance, some don't. Overflying the airport because they were playing with their laptops is one of the ones that don't. Accidents don't just happen. They're caused.
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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    When it comes to something like this there should be zero tolerance and even criminal charges. You do not wait until a drunk driver gets into a accident before arresting him for DUI just because he hasn't hit anyone yet.
    We also don't arrest people for speeding, distracted driving or running a stop sign. Nor do we suspend the license on a first offense.

    This was not a case of drunk driving and it is not in anyway comparable as the pilots were not physically impaired at all. They were simply bored distracted.
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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If they had flown to the wrong city, that would be a mistake.
    Flying to the wrong city suggests they have no idea what they are doing. Over shooting the city says distracted.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Some mistakes get a second chance, some don't. Overflying the airport because they were playing with their laptops is one of the ones that don't. Accidents don't just happen. They're caused.
    Which would you rather them lose a license for?

    A. Not knowing what they were doing?

    B. Distracted?

    PS No accident happend here. No one was hurt etc.
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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Drunk driving isn't uncommon either, but if you get caught, you can and should get in trouble for it. These guys not only got caught, but they overshot the airport by 150 miles.
    You have to understand the realities of flying commercial airlines. The plane flies itself. The *ONLY* responsibility of the pilots is monitoring fuel levels and weather, something that takes about 10% of their onboard time. With modern aeronautic equipment, the pilot has to take off and sit in the cockpit, little more. The plane will even land itself and in bad weather, the pilots are required by law to take a completely hands-off approach to letting the plane fly itself.

    What happened was a comedy of errors. Air traffic asked them to change radio frequencies, then dropped the ball entirely because they never responded and air traffic is required by FAA policy to continue to make the request until they respond. They did not.

    Don't get me wrong, I fault the pilots but you act like flying a plane is like driving a car and it's nothing of the sort.
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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    When it comes to something like this there should be zero tolerance and even criminal charges. You do not wait until a drunk driver gets into a accident before arresting him for DUI just because he hasn't hit anyone yet.
    Criminal charges? That is rich. No one was hurt, no one was in any danger at any time. They overshot the city by being distracted. Not like that has not happened to anyone before, being distracted I mean.

    Again anyone who supports zero tolerance for anything instead of accepting responsibility on a case by case basis is a fool.
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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Flying to the wrong city suggests they have no idea what they are doing. Over shooting the city says distracted.




    Which would you rather them lose a license for?

    A. Not knowing what they were doing?

    B. Distracted?

    PS No accident happend here. No one was hurt etc.
    You're right, that would be a case of, "not knowing what they're doing". I think they should lose their license for that, too.

    Maybe my fear of flying makes me inflexible, but I don't think these two dudes have any business flying an aircraft, muchless a passenger aircraft.
    Last edited by apdst; 10-28-09 at 11:20 AM.
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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    We also don't arrest people for speeding, distracted driving or running a stop sign. Nor do we suspend the license on a first offense.
    These are things that happen all the time and a ticket is considered an appropriate punishment. However it is not a pilot who has the lives a 50-100 plus people in the lives of his hands and possibly the area he may crass into.


    This was not a case of drunk driving and it is not in anyway comparable as the pilots were not physically impaired at all. They were simply bored distracted.
    If the pilot is asleep then he is impaired. IF the Pilot is playing Nerd Quest or "Ain't never gonna see any pussy Quest" on his laptop then he is impaired.
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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    These are things that happen all the time and a ticket is considered an appropriate punishment. However it is not a pilot who has the lives a 50-100 plus people in the lives of his hands and possibly the area he may crass into.
    You made the comparison. I just took it to it's logical conclusion in that it was irrelevant.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If the pilot is asleep then he is impaired. IF the Pilot is playing Nerd Quest or "Ain't never gonna see any pussy Quest" on his laptop then he is impaired.
    They were discussing a new company policy, not playing games.

    In the end it makes no difference my earlier statement stands as true.

    The punishment does not fit the offense. And it is a typical over reaction and these two pilots are now just another statistic.

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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You're right, that would be a case of, "not knowing what they're doing". I think they should lose their license for that, too.

    Maybe my fear of flying makes me inflexible, but I don't think these two dudes have any business flying an aircraft, muchless a passenger aircraft.
    The fear of flying I can understand.

    I would never fault anyone for that.

    So I can understand your reaction.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    They were discussing a new company policy, not playing games.
    Where did you hear that?

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