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  • They are too irresponsible to get nothing less than permanent ban from commercial flying

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  • Since it's a first offense they should only get a suspension

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  • They should get a warning

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  • Why all the fuss? Everyone has lapses from time to time

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Thread: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    How much time did they lose? Some of my friends have cost me more time than that. My doctor canceled 3 appointments in a row after I had set aside 3 separate days for appointments. I was given bad directions a few times too. I was very annoyed.
    Did you doctor cancel those appointments because he lost "situational awareness" with nearly 100 lives on the line?

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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Did you doctor cancel those appointments because he lost "situational awareness" with nearly 100 lives on the line?
    No lives were lost.

    I have no idea why the doctor canceled the appointments, they gave some excuse of course. I don't go to that practice anymore, they were too flakey.

    Now I've been told that in order to successfully sue, one must have real damages. Losing an hour or two of time would be more of a small claims court type case. If you missed a connection or some other important event, and maybe you had to pay for a taxi and hotel somewhere. I would guess the airline compensated the passengers in this case.

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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    No lives were lost.
    Ok, you can just dodge the question, I'll let you go.

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Now I've been told that in order to successfully sue, one must have real damages.
    You were told wrong.

    ......The third major form of damage is exemplary (or punitive) damages, which combines punishment and the setting of public example. Exemplary damages may be awarded when the defendant acted in a malicious, violent, oppressive, fraudulent, wanton or grossly reckless way in causing the special and general damages to the plaintiff. On occasion punitive damages can be greater than the actual damages, as, for example, in a sexual harassment case or fraudulent schemes. Although often asked for, they are seldom awarded. Nominal damages are those given when the actual harm is minor and an award is warranted under the circumstances......
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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    What about these goofing off, distracted pilots? Should they have their licenses revoked?

    BBC NEWS | Americas | Lost US pilots' licences revoked
    Not only should they should get thrown in jail, they should also face criminal charges. You do not let a drunk driver or a driver who is under the influence of something else continue driving just because they haven't gotten into an accidents yet.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    I don't get it they made a mistake, a fairly minor one. It was also the first time. Suspension should be enough. Why would you want to completely take away the lively hood and/or careers of these men? Not to mention they are most likely veterans.

    A little less knee jerk, and a lot more common sense.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    They should never be allowed to set foot in the cockpit of an aircraft again.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I don't get it they made a mistake, a fairly minor one. It was also the first time. Suspension should be enough. Why would you want to completely take away the lively hood and/or careers of these men? Not to mention they are most likely veterans.

    A little less knee jerk, and a lot more common sense.
    The reason that I think this is such a big deal, is that had they realized what was going on a little later, they could have run out of fuel and crash. Invaded another aircraft's airpsace and crashed. Been a suspected hi-jack and shot down.

    I feel there's no place in the pilot world, commercial, private, whatever, for someone who is going to detach themselves from what they're doing for that long.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The reason that I think this is such a big deal, is that had they realized what was going on a little later, they could have run out of fuel and crash. Invaded another aircraft's airpsace and crashed. Been a suspected hi-jack and shot down.

    I feel there's no place in the pilot world, commercial, private, whatever, for someone who is going to detach themselves from what they're doing for that long.
    It was an accident. No one was hurt. Don't punish people for what could have happened. That is exactly what is going on here.

    Typical over reaction.

    No wonder this country is so ****ed up.

    No forgiveness, no understanding that people can make mistakes. You mite as well support zero tolerance laws.
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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I don't get it they made a mistake, a fairly minor one. It was also the first time. Suspension should be enough. Why would you want to completely take away the lively hood and/or careers of these men? Not to mention they are most likely veterans.

    A little less knee jerk, and a lot more common sense.
    It would be different if they worked at a job that didn't physically involve the lives of others in their hands. Its no different than a soldier who falls asleep on guard duty in a war zone, firefighters who turn their phones and alarms off, a doctor who is call that turns his phone off or goes out drinking or police who sit in their highway patrol car in a parking lot playing video games instead of patrolling the highway looking for speeders and other people who endanger other motorist. Something may not happen the first time or even a dozen times later, but something bad shouldn't have to happen first before something gets done. I am sure that by making an example out of anyone who does this will ensure that no pilot dares to sleep on the job.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 10-28-09 at 11:08 AM.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should the lost pilots have their licenses revoked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    It was an accident. No one was hurt. Don't punish people for what could have happened. That is exactly what is going on here.

    Typical over reaction.

    No wonder this country is so ****ed up.

    No forgiveness, no understanding that people can make mistakes. You mite as well support zero tolerance laws.
    When it comes to something like this there should be zero tolerance and even criminal charges. You do not wait until a drunk driver gets into a accident before arresting him for DUI just because he hasn't hit anyone yet.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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