View Poll Results: Should inscription 'Murdered by Muslim Terrorists' be allowed on Memorial Plaque?

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    Re: Should inscription 'Murdered by Muslim Terrorists' be allowed on Memorial Plaque?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    You don't think any Muslims will be offended?
    Personally, I can't imagine caring.

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    Re: Should inscription 'Murdered by Muslim Terrorists' be allowed on Memorial Plaque?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    So let me get this straight....Hate crimes are dismissed by "oh well big deal"?

    Erecting this memorial with the words "Murdered by Muslim Terrorists" will only fuel the fringe extremists who have conducted those hate crimes. It will give them a sense of legitimacy to their prejudice.
    Since when is stating the truth considered a "hate crime"? We are talking about speech here. Not crimes.

    And while it might "fuel the fringe extremists" it can also have the effect of fueling people against the fringe extremists. And since there are more non-extremeists it could very well overwhelm them to the point of canceling out any fuel that they gather from this.
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    Re: Should inscription 'Murdered by Muslim Terrorists' be allowed on Memorial Plaque?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Since when is stating the truth considered a "hate crime"? We are talking about speech here. Not crimes.
    Whose speech? The father? No. It's not up to the father. It is a public memorial, it's "speech" is decided by the city officials.

    And while it might "fuel the fringe extremists" it can also have the effect of fueling people against the fringe extremists. And since there are more non-extremeists it could very well overwhelm them to the point of canceling out any fuel that they gather from this.
    Simple solution is to not include the plaque and avoid the problem altogether. Why go thru the hassle?
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    Re: Should inscription 'Murdered by Muslim Terrorists' be allowed on Memorial Plaque?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    Whose speech? The father? No. It's not up to the father. It is a public memorial, it's "speech" is decided by the city officials.



    Simple solution is to not include the plaque and avoid the problem altogether. Why go thru the hassle?
    Right.... that's what we should have done with the Viet Nam memorial, Right?

    Wouldn't want to offend any Vietnamese with that big black wall with 50,000 names on it would we?

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    Re: Should inscription 'Murdered by Muslim Terrorists' be allowed on Memorial Plaque?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    Whose speech? The father? No. It's not up to the father. It is a public memorial, it's "speech" is decided by the city officials.
    Apparently the father does have a bit of a say as according to the article if he doesn't "give this up" they will just not put the memorial up.

    Town officials call the phrase too controversial for a small town memorial, and they recently voted against erecting the plaque if Gadiel insists on the language.
    This is PC in action. Nothing more. Nothing less. It's sad that once again PC attitudes suppress truth.

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    Simple solution is to not include the plaque and avoid the problem altogether. Why go thru the hassle?
    What Crunch said.
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    Re: Should inscription 'Murdered by Muslim Terrorists' be allowed on Memorial Plaque?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Right.... that's what we should have done with the Viet Nam memorial, Right?

    Wouldn't want to offend any Vietnamese with that big black wall with 50,000 names on it would we?
    The Vietnam Veteran's Memorial remained a memorial of the soldiers, not of the viet cong that the soldiers were fighting against.

    The memorial to the son should also be about the son and not the terrorists, which was my point all along.

    Would you like to try that again? That goes for you too Kal'Stang.
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    Re: Should inscription 'Murdered by Muslim Terrorists' be allowed on Memorial Plaque?

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Wouldn't bother me at all.
    By inference, is your skin color "black " ??
    A man's memorial is no place for things negative, this has nothing to do with free speech, its a matter of respect, proper honoring of the dead, good upbringing.....is all of this a thing of the past ??
    I do favor the idea of a plaque on public grounds decrying the murder of thousands by Islamics, a political statement, but not on any memorial of a specific victim or victims..

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    Re: Should inscription 'Murdered by Muslim Terrorists' be allowed on Memorial Plaque?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    The Vietnam Veteran's Memorial remained a memorial of the soldiers, not of the viet cong that the soldiers were fighting against.

    The memorial to the son should also be about the son and not the terrorists, which was my point all along.

    Would you like to try that again? That goes for you too Kal'Stang.
    The Vietnam Veteran's Memorial isn't just about the soldiers. It is also about what happened to them. IE they died in Vietnam. Hence the name. Otherwise why not just call it "Veteran's Memorial"? To use your own questions against ya...Don't you think that Vietnamese wouldn't be offended?

    Would you like to try again?
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    Re: Should inscription 'Murdered by Muslim Terrorists' be allowed on Memorial Plaque?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The Vietnam Veteran's Memorial isn't just about the soldiers. It is also about what happened to them. IE they died in Vietnam. Hence the name. Otherwise why not just call it "Veteran's Memorial"? To use your own questions against ya...Don't you think that Vietnamese wouldn't be offended?

    Would you like to try again?
    Does the Vietnamese memorial say "These men were murdered by Vietnamese communist terrorists" anywhere? No. The people who designed it were a bit classier than that. Similarly, a 9/11 memorial is fine. Including an inflammatory statement like "murdered by Islamic terrorists" is offensive and gratuitous.
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    Re: Should inscription 'Murdered by Muslim Terrorists' be allowed on Memorial Plaque?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The Vietnam Veteran's Memorial isn't just about the soldiers. It is also about what happened to them. IE they died in Vietnam. Hence the name. Otherwise why not just call it "Veteran's Memorial"? To use your own questions against ya...Don't you think that Vietnamese wouldn't be offended?

    Would you like to try again?
    The memorial is a gigantic slab of granite with only the names of our fallen soldiers. It does not say the Vietnamese murdered them. The use of "Vietnam" is used to indicate which war the veterans fought in.

    Would you like to try a 3rd time?
    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Let the public school provide the basics, you as the parent can do the fine tuning.

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