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Should inscription 'Murdered by Muslim Terrorists' be allowed on Memorial Plaque?

Should inscription 'Murdered by Muslim Terrorists' be allowed on Memorial Plaque?

  • Yes, there should be nothing wrong with stating the truth

    Votes: 35 67.3%

  • There must compromise language that won't offend

    Votes: 5 9.6%

  • No way, it would offend Muslims

    Votes: 2 3.8%

  • other, please explain

    Votes: 10 19.2%
  • Total voters
    52
Lightdemon said:
Do you think that's the purpose of the memorial? To know the "truth"?

Please stop for a second and try to realize that the memorial is for the son who died on 9/11. It is not about placing blame, it's about honoring the dead.

Have you learned the difference yet?
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As I've said before a memorial is about honoring the dead AND knowing what happened. It is not just about honoring the dead. Just honoring them means nothing if you don't know what happened to them or what they are being honored for.

If the father wants the way in which people know what happened to be blunt and the truth then what is wrong with it?

I keep seeing a few people here say that it just casts blame. Name me one memorial that doesn't cast blame in any way shape or form.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
As I've said before a memorial is about honoring the dead AND knowing what happened. It is not just about honoring the dead. Just honoring them means nothing if you don't know what happened to them or what they are being honored for.

If the father wants the way in which people know what happened to be blunt and the truth then what is wrong with it?
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Does anyone question what happened in Vietnam because "Murdered by the Viet Cong" wasn't written on the Vietnam Veteran's Memorial? Has anyone forgotten what happened in Vietnam because that wasn't written on there?

Why does it have to be "blunt"? Is that how you would want to remember your son if he had died? Blunt? Why would you choose to be inflammatory about your son's death, when you don't have to be? You're just being an instigator.
 
Kal'Stang said:
As I've said before a memorial is about honoring the dead AND knowing what happened. It is not just about honoring the dead. Just honoring them means nothing if you don't know what happened to them or what they are being honored for.

If the father wants the way in which people know what happened to be blunt and the truth then what is wrong with it?

I keep seeing a few people here say that it just casts blame. Name me one memorial that doesn't cast blame in any way shape or form.
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the father can inscribe whatever he wishes on his son's gravestone.
 
Kal'Stang said:
I keep seeing a few people here say that it just casts blame. Name me one memorial that doesn't cast blame in any way shape or form.
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Does the Vietnam Veteran's Memorial directly cast blame on the Viet Cong? If yes, show me where.
 
And just so you know Kal'Stang, I could have went with the FDR Memorial, or the Washington Memorial, to blow your idiotic question to pieces, but chose not to. :2wave: Consider it a freebie.
 
Lightdemon said:
Does anyone question what happened in Vietnam because "Murdered by the Viet Cong" wasn't written on the Vietnam Veteran's Memorial? Has anyone forgotten what happened in Vietnam because that wasn't written on there?

Why does it have to be "blunt"? Is that how you would want to remember your son if he had died? Blunt? Why would you choose to be inflammatory about your son's death, when you don't have to be? You're just being an instigator.
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It is not questioned because people are educated as to what happened. As I'm sure they will be on 9/11. I'm not arguing that point.

As for "why does it have to be blunt" it doesn't. But what is wrong with being blunt? How is the truth inflammatory? No ones been able to explain that point satisfactorily.

And yes I would want to be blunt as to how my son died.
 
Kal'Stang said:
As for "why does it have to be blunt" it doesn't. But what is wrong with being blunt? How is the truth inflammatory? No ones been able to explain that point satisfactorily.
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It is narrow minded and in bad taste. But hey that is their right.
 
Lightdemon said:
Does the Vietnam Veteran's Memorial directly cast blame on the Viet Cong? If yes, show me where.
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Who cares weather it is directly or not? It still does by inference. Everyone knows what the vietnam memorial is about.
 
Kal'Stang said:
As for "why does it have to be blunt" it doesn't. But what is wrong with being blunt? How is the truth inflammatory? No ones been able to explain that point satisfactorily.
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So you don't see how being blunt can be inflammatory? Really?? If you can't understand that, then I don't know what to tell ya friend.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Who cares weather it is directly or not? It still does by inference. Everyone knows what the vietnam memorial is about.
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Exactly, why must you be blunt then? Why must you choose to be inflammatory about it? Why be the instigator? Why choose to be all these things when you can so easily choose not to?
 
Lightdemon said:
And just so you know Kal'Stang, I could have went with the FDR Memorial, or the Washington Memorial, to blow your idiotic question to pieces, but chose not to. :2wave: Consider it a freebie.
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No actually you couldn't because neither of them are about the same type of thing. There are tons of different types of memorials out there. The ones we are talking about is death due to basically war.
 
Kal'Stang said:
No actually you couldn't because neither of them are about the same type of thing. There are tons of different types of memorials out there. The ones we are talking about is death due to basically war.
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Which goes to show how idiotic your question was. Have you gone back and read what you wrote? :rofl
 
Lightdemon said:
So you don't see how being blunt can be inflammatory? Really?? If you can't understand that, then I don't know what to tell ya friend.
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The only ones that should be inflamed by it are the terrorists or terrorist sympathizers. And do you really care what the they think?
 
Kal'Stang said:
Why? How is being blunt and stating the truth narrow minded? How is being blunt and stating the truth narrow minded?
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It is limited POV. Just like saying "Killed by a greedy capitalist heathen American pig" would be on the other side of the coin.
 
winston53660 said:
It is limited POV. Just like saying "Killed by a greedy capitalist heathen American pig" would be on the other side of the coin.
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The truth is the truth. Doesn't matter to me what side of the coin says it. As long as it is true then it shouldn't matter.
 
Kal'Stang said:
The truth is the truth. Doesn't matter to me what side of the coin says it. As long as it is true then it shouldn't matter.
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Hey if the guy wants it on his gravestone fine by me it is his right to have bad taste.
 
Kal'Stang said:
If anyone else gets upset with the term "Murdered by Muslim Terrorists" then they need to grow thicker skin. It is not directed at them so why should they care?
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After 9/11, innocent people of the Muslim faith have been victims involved in hate crimes. This is only one reason why they should care. We've been though this already.
 
See those of you arguing against me here are doing so because of PC "values". Note the quotation marks in the word values there. I personally believe that PC'ness is nothing more than an attempt to cater to everyone by modifying their speech. I believe that it inhibits the truth. I believe that it hurts more than it helps.

This is why you think that I don't "understand" your points of view. I do. I just don't agree with it. I see being blunt as the right thing to do because it lets people know where you stand and doesn't attempt to hide the truth behind thinly vieled politeness.

Remember what Lincoln said? If not look to my signature.
 
Lightdemon said:
After 9/11, innocent people of the Muslim faith have been victims involved in hate crimes. This is only one reason why they should care. We've been though this already.
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Again, we are talking about speech. Not hate crimes.
 
Kal'Stang said:
See those of you arguing against me here are doing so because of PC "values". Note the quotation marks in the word values there. I personally believe that PC'ness is nothing more than an attempt to cater to everyone by modifying their speech. I believe that it inhibits the truth. I believe that it hurts more than it helps.
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No, you didn't say it inhibited the truth when we were talking about the Vietnam Veteran's Memorial. You were even able to infer all sorts of things on your own. The Vietnam Veterans' Memorial didn't seem to be an issue of "PC" according to what you said. Why is it an issue here? Why is it an issue now?

This is why you think that I don't "understand" your points of view. I do. I just don't agree with it. I see being blunt as the right thing to do because it lets people know where you stand and doesn't attempt to hide the truth behind thinly vieled politeness.
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The Vietnam Veteran's Memorial didn't hide the truth according to you. But the boy's memorial is hiding the truth?

If the words "Murdered by Muslim Terrorists" were omitted, do you honestly think that people would be confused about where your stand on the issue?
 
Kal'Stang said:
Again, we are talking about speech. Not hate crimes.
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I see you've forgotten what we talked about already. Do you not remember when I said that this type of "speech" fuels the extremists? This is absolutely a reason why everyone should care, whether the statement is about them or not. Extremists in this country brings the entire country down.
 
Lightdemon said:
No, you didn't say it inhibited the truth when we were talking about the Vietnam Veteran's Memorial. You were even able to infer all sorts of things on your own. The Vietnam Veterans' Memorial didn't seem to be an issue of "PC" according to what you said. Why is it an issue here? Why is it an issue now?
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I provided more than one defination of PC'ness in that post.

Lightdemon said:
The Vietnam Veteran's Memorial didn't hide the truth according to you. But the boy's memorial is hiding the truth?


If the words "Murdered by Muslim Terrorists" were omitted, do you honestly think that people would be confused about where your stand on the issue?
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Where did I say that it is hiding the truth? You seem to keep forgetting that I am not argueing against the words "<insert name> died on 9/11" Please stop infering that I am. Arguing for something doesn't always mean that you are arguing against something.
 
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