View Poll Results: Should inscription 'Murdered by Muslim Terrorists' be allowed on Memorial Plaque?

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    Re: Should inscription 'Murdered by Muslim Terrorists' be allowed on Memorial Plaque?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Your response was...

    It's not a simple solution to what the father wants. You're basing your arguement around "it will offend people" and because of that crime will ensue. Not a valid arguement as those that were harmed after 9/11 was in response what happened on 9/11. We have since moved past that stage. Do you really think that regular muslims will be harmed at the simple erection of this memorial if it says what the father wants it to? Some how I doubt it very seriously. When was the last time a muslim was harmed because of what happened on 9/11?
    No actually I advocate being pro-active, rather than re-active. If the extremists were not given the recognition, they wouldn't be receiving any legitimization. If you wait until somebody became a victim of a hate crime, it's already too late.

    So again, I ask you, why do you insist on choosing to be inflammatory while it is so much easier to choose not to? If you choose to opt out of having that inflammatory inscription, the memorial wouldn't be any less important, nor would it be any less effective. Furthermore, it wouldn't instigate. I see very little value in what you are arguing for.

    There are lots of words and phrases that have multiple meanings and each one is applied to the context that it belongs to. For example "Gay". It has two different meanings. That is what I did. How I apply each one is consistant.
    No, you were arguing that omitting certain phrases such as "Murdered by Muslim Terrorists" would be hiding the truth. Your inconsistency lies in your explanation that you were able to infer all of those things mention when you were talking about the Vietnam Veteran's Memorial.

    You were very inconsistent.

    Now if you respond with "Well I didn't say that omitting that phrase would be hiding the truth", then I gotta ask you, why are you so adamant about including the phrase in the inscription?

    It may not matter to you. It does to the father. Try looking at it from his point of view. Since it is about his son I think that we should respect his wishes. Since either phrase is the truth and it should not offend anyone but the terrorists what is the problem?
    The problem is that it will offend, regardless of whether you think it should. And also the my point about fueling the extremists.

    Ugh. I can see this whole arguement going round and round and round. How about we just agree to disagree on this?
    I don't mind going round and round in the discussion. What I'm really interested in actually is how you came to your position. If there's one thing you should know about me, it's that I'm only interested in conversation. I don't really come here to debate (on occasion I do, but for the most part), I come here to see how people work, how they think.
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    Re: Should inscription 'Murdered by Muslim Terrorists' be allowed on Memorial Plaque?

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    Dont call it free speech then. Call it agreeable respectful speech. Thats the way the white house wants it right now.
    I do not care how the White House wants "it". On a memorial, only the best of taste ,respect,honor are acceptable. "Muslim, Islam" do not qualify.
    On a political plaque, separate from the grave site, I'd agree with the father, whatever he or the town wish to say, I surely do not care if Muslims or Islamics are offended...that their problem to fix, their house to clean.

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    Re: Should inscription 'Murdered by Muslim Terrorists' be allowed on Memorial Plaque?

    (1) There are serious doubts over who carried out 9/11, and, even if it was the "Muslims", they were only retaliating against the aggression that was previously initiated by the U.S. government, so a more accurate tombstone line would be "Caught In The Crossfire Between Two Gangs Fighting For Supremacy".

    (2) Free speech.

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    Re: Should inscription 'Murdered by Muslim Terrorists' be allowed on Memorial Plaque?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    (1) There are serious doubts over who carried out 9/11, and, even if it was the "Muslims", they were only retaliating against the aggression that was previously initiated by the U.S. government, so a more accurate tombstone line would be "Caught In The Crossfire Between Two Gangs Fighting For Supremacy".

    (2) Free speech.
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    Re: Should inscription 'Murdered by Muslim Terrorists' be allowed on Memorial Plaque?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    I don't mind going round and round in the discussion. What I'm really interested in actually is how you came to your position. If there's one thing you should know about me, it's that I'm only interested in conversation. I don't really come here to debate (on occasion I do, but for the most part), I come here to see how people work, how they think.
    Unfortenately I do mind going round and round. Though I like conversing with people I don't like repeating myself. Suffice it to say that as far as I'm concerned this whole issue is a PC issue and it's stupid to dictate what we say just because it might offend some people.

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    Are you serious? You're not one of them, are you?
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    Re: Should inscription 'Murdered by Muslim Terrorists' be allowed on Memorial Plaque?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    (1) There are serious doubts over who carried out 9/11, and, even if it was the "Muslims", they were only retaliating against the aggression that was previously initiated by the U.S. government, so a more accurate tombstone line would be "Caught In The Crossfire Between Two Gangs Fighting For Supremacy".

    (2) Free speech.

    THIS FORUM IS NOT A PLACE WHERE THE U.S. FOREIGN POLICY OR THE MIDDLE EAST CAN BE DISCUSSED FAIRLY AND HONESTLY. I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO FIND A DIFFERENT WEB-SITE INSTEAD.
    I'm wondering, with the statement you have on your signature, can you explain why you posted?

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    Re: Should inscription 'Murdered by Muslim Terrorists' be allowed on Memorial Plaque?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Unfortenately I do mind going round and round. Though I like conversing with people I don't like repeating myself. Suffice it to say that as far as I'm concerned this whole issue is a PC issue and it's stupid to dictate what we say just because it might offend some people.
    I'd like to point out that we're only going round and round because you became inconsistent with your judgements.

    You don't think the Vietnam Veteran's Memorial was hiding truth, yet you think differently of this particular memorial. Why the difference?

    In one you can infer all sorts of things without ANY words but the title of the memorial, and yet you argue that the inscription must be included so that people would not be confused about what the memorial is about.

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    Re: Should inscription 'Murdered by Muslim Terrorists' be allowed on Memorial Plaque?

    No. It's just not the type of thing Americans would do. Just remove the word "Muslim."

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    Re: Should inscription 'Murdered by Muslim Terrorists' be allowed on Memorial Plaque?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I think people just had more class back in my day. Bobby Kennedy was killed by a Palestinian terrorist, and his memorial doesn't say "murdered by Palestinian terrorist".
    But maybe it should. Maybe plain speech would promote clear thinking.
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    Re: Should inscription 'Murdered by Muslim Terrorists' be allowed on Memorial Plaque?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Should inscription 'Murdered by Muslim Terrorists' be allowed on Memorial Plaque?
    Yes, there should be nothing wrong with stating the truth
    The TRUTH??? you can't handle the truth, the truth is WTC7 colapsed without even being hit by planes, because the plane that was supposed to hit it got shot down over PA and it was already riged up with demolition explosives.
    The truth is Bush refused 1 on 1 duel with Saddam Hussein that could have saved the country 3000 soldiers and over trillions of dollars instead settling for a president named Hussein Obama.
    DO YOU REALLY THINK YOU CAN HANDLE THE TRUTH?
    I doubt it

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