View Poll Results: What do you think of these proposals to cool the earth?

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  • I like them. This would save the taxpayers a huge amount of money and also save the earth.

    13 38.24%
  • I don't think these proposals are technologically feasible.

    10 29.41%
  • We shouldn't be messing around with the climate; who knows what might happen?

    12 35.29%
  • We should pass legislation to cap and/or tax carbon dioxide emissions.

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Thread: Cheap ways to cool the earth

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    Re: Cheap ways to cool the earth

    I can't really vote here, there is no "We should not screw with the climate until it seriously screws us first" option.
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    Re: Cheap ways to cool the earth

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    This is just a contingency plan.. a big what if??

    Unfortunately though if things do heat up significantly and get to the point of causing problems, we will not notice or accept it until things start getting drastic. The old frog in a frying pan syndrome.

    Under what circumstance? Maybe the Maldives going under water might be a good signal to start entertaining the idea. Perhaps when low lying port cities start to go under, and we start seeing global crop failure happen we might decide to really give it serious consideration.

    I don't foresee this actually getting implemented unless things were seriously FUBAR and even then it would probably take another 20 years for us to accept the reality of how FUBAR it is.

    I don;t think there is much to worry about here, and I see no harm in contingency plans, especially ones such as the ones proposed here that can be shut off and reversed really if it really ****s things up.

    Tampering with nature on this level is not something to do without serious consideration. But if the **** were to hit the fan, I see nothing wrong with having a couple of contingency plans on hand as is being suggested here.



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    If things ever got to this point I would support a world-wide cessation of industrial CO2 emissions as well as prohibitory gas and carbon taxes as opposed to ideas posited in the OP.

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    Re: Cheap ways to cool the earth

    Cheap ways to cool the earth?

    Give it a surfboard, dude.

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    Re: Cheap ways to cool the earth

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I just finished reading Superfreakonomics, the sequel to Freakonomics, and the authors have some very interesting ideas for how to reverse global warming WITHOUT spending a fortune to do so.

    - Spray sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere through a super-tall smokestack. It would essentially be a hose that was miles long, held together with balloons. It could be attached to a factory's normal smokestacks, which would ejects its sulfur dioxide waste into the stratosphere (several miles up) instead of the troposphere (the near-surface air). A single hose on each of a mere two factories - one in the Northern Hemisphere and one in the Southern Hemisphere - would be sufficient. This would mirror the effect of a relatively large volcanic eruption like Mount Pinatubo, and would cool the earth by a couple degrees. TOTAL COST: $20 million in startup, $10 million per year.

    - A fleet of wind-powered boats which sit in the ocean, and have underwater turbines to fling sea water into the atmosphere and create clouds. The white clouds, unlike the black ocean, would reflect sunlight and cool the earth by a couple degrees. TOTAL COST: A few billion dollars total.

    What do you guys think? The technology for these already exists, and it would be much cheaper than the hundreds of billions we'd need to spend EVERY YEAR on climate change legislation. The scientists seem to think that these proposals are perfectly safe and feasible, but if they produced any unintended environmental consequences, the machines could easily be shut off and any damages would be reversed within a couple years.
    I think the earth is cooling off just fine, and since no consensus has been reached on what the best "temperature" for the planet it, it's pointless to tinker...especially since the theories the global warming idiots have been using are all wrong.

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    Re: Cheap ways to cool the earth

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Under what circumstances would we absolutely need to use these methods?
    If the sun goes nova, I suppose.

    Last time I checked, the sun's pretty stable, and the planet has maintained a viable climate for the most part of four and a half billion years. The green plants caused a drastic disastrous climate change for the life of the time, but things have settled down since.

    The planet's doing okay, doesn't seem to be any reason to tinker with the thing.

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    Re: Cheap ways to cool the earth

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    If things ever got to this point I would support a world-wide cessation of industrial CO2 emissions as well as prohibitory gas and carbon taxes as opposed to ideas posited in the OP.
    Why? That would devastate our economy and radically reduce our standard of living. The solutions proposed here, while maybe not ideal at the present time, offer a much cheaper way to fix the problem and could be reversed if they had harmful effects of their own. Besides, even if we ceased all CO2 emissions, global warming would not necessarily reverse or even cease immediately...

    The main problems with climate change are 1) the planet heating up, and 2) the oceans acidifying. I think we're much better off focusing our efforts on developing technologies that give the earth some shade and give the ocean an antacid (with as small a risk of side effects as possible), than on radically altering our CO2 consumption.
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    Re: Cheap ways to cool the earth

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    I think the earth is cooling off just fine, and since no consensus has been reached on what the best "temperature" for the planet it, it's pointless to tinker...especially since the theories the global warming idiots have been using are all wrong.
    It's not so much a matter of finding an ideal temperature. It's the sudden CHANGE in temperature that is harmful.
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    Re: Cheap ways to cool the earth

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Why? That would devastate our economy and radically reduce our standard of living.
    If I'm not mistaken, the circumstances under which these ideas would be seriously entertained are doomsday-like scenarios, so sacrificing economic vitality and reducing our standard of living is something we should be willing to do.

    The solutions proposed here, while maybe not ideal at the present time, offer a much cheaper way to fix the problem...
    They also represent massive uncertainty. There is no telling what unintended consequences could result from either of these options. You could potentially make things worse than they already were. You cannot guarantee that it won't.

    ...could be reversed if they had harmful effects of their own.
    You don't know that.

    Besides, even if we ceased all CO2 emissions, global warming would not necessarily reverse or even cease immediately...
    Of course not. It would be an incremental return to equilibrium. That's the price you have to pay for almost destroying the planet.

    The main problems with climate change are 1) the planet heating up, and 2) the oceans acidifying. I think we're much better off focusing our efforts on developing technologies that give the earth some shade and give the ocean an antacid (with as small a risk of side effects as possible), than on radically altering our CO2 consumption.
    It's not as simple as giving the Earth some shade or reversing oceanic acidification. You're talking about radically altering the entire biosphere. Biological diversity and interconnectivity is infinitely complex and subtle. There's no way to know what could happen with either of these solutions.

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    Re: Cheap ways to cool the earth

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I just finished reading Superfreakonomics, the sequel to Freakonomics, and the authors have some very interesting ideas for how to reverse global warming WITHOUT spending a fortune to do so.

    - Spray sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere through a super-tall smokestack. It would essentially be a hose that was miles long, held together with balloons. It could be attached to a factory's normal smokestacks, which would ejects its sulfur dioxide waste into the stratosphere (several miles up) instead of the troposphere (the near-surface air). A single hose on each of a mere two factories - one in the Northern Hemisphere and one in the Southern Hemisphere - would be sufficient. This would mirror the effect of a relatively large volcanic eruption like Mount Pinatubo, and would cool the earth by a couple degrees. TOTAL COST: $20 million in startup, $10 million per year.

    - A fleet of wind-powered boats which sit in the ocean, and have underwater turbines to fling sea water into the atmosphere and create clouds. The white clouds, unlike the black ocean, would reflect sunlight and cool the earth by a couple degrees. TOTAL COST: A few billion dollars total.

    What do you guys think? The technology for these already exists, and it would be much cheaper than the hundreds of billions we'd need to spend EVERY YEAR on climate change legislation. The scientists seem to think that these proposals are perfectly safe and feasible, but if they produced any unintended environmental consequences, the machines could easily be shut off and any damages would be reversed within a couple years.
    I think that the notion that man should, or even could, modify the earths climate not only being an arrogant and foolish notion, but pretty damned stupid and if it were even possible, dangerous.

    Man cannot even manage their own desire to destroy each other or balance a simple budget; the notion that man can control the climate is laughable at best.


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    Re: Cheap ways to cool the earth

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Urban pollution, noise, and garbage treatment have nothing to do with how to fight global warming, which is the topic of this thread.
    It does.. How about Garbage dumps? They amount for substantial amounts of the "greenhouse gasses".. How about cars in cities? Where are most cars, and where are they more annoying than in cities?

    We need to rethink the climate struggle, to not only include some simplistic version of saving the climate at the exclusion of all the other important elements.
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