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Thread: Are there any discernible political differences between Barack Obama and Jimmy Carter

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    Re: Are there any discernible political differences between Barack Obama and Jimmy Ca

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Obama is much more market-oriented than Carter ever was. It's difficult for me to imagine Obama ever trying to control the price of gasoline, for example.

    Obama doesn't reflexively condemn Israel like Carter does, nor does he reflexively support Israel like Bush does. He has taken a more nuanced approach, supporting Israel when it deserves support and offering constructive criticism when he thinks it's appropriate.

    Carter seemed much more concerned with human rights as they relate to foreign policy, whereas Obama seems much more concerned with protecting American geopolitical power.

    Obama clearly supports progressive globalization while making grudging concessions to labor unions, whereas Carter was much more sympathetic to the unions and made grudging concessions to globalization.
    You were doing great with your first 2 points, but I'm not sure where the second half of that came from. Obama is interested in preserving geopolitical power? Every word and action he has taken since in office suggests that he views American power as the cause of problems around the globe.

    Begrudging giving concessions to labor unions? Wow, man, sorry but that is laughable. Obama is in the union's pocket. What do you think a "community organizer" is? They voted for him in droves and he owes them. Obama is the unions' wet dream.

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    Re: Are there any discernible political differences between Barack Obama and Jimmy Ca

    Quote Originally Posted by Libs_Luv_Weakness View Post
    You were doing great with your first 2 points, but I'm not sure where the second half of that came from. Obama is interested in preserving geopolitical power? Every word and action he has taken since in office suggests that he views American power as the cause of problems around the globe.
    He likely views abuse of American power as something that harms our geopolitical interests. What I meant was that he seems more concerned with American power than with speaking out on behalf of all human rights activists anywhere in the world. For better or for worse, this is why he's decided to open diplomatic channels with the Sudan, despite the fact that its head of state is currently under indictment for war crimes by the ICC. For better or for worse, this was the main reason his criticism of Iran was relatively muted during their election aftermath. For better or for worse, he decided that our commercial relations with China were more important than meeting with the Dali Lama. I can't envision Jimmy Carter making decisions like that too often.

    Quote Originally Posted by Libs_Luv_Weakness
    Begrudging giving concessions to labor unions? Wow, man, sorry but that is laughable. Obama is in the union's pocket. What do you think a "community organizer" is? They voted for him in droves and he owes them. Obama is the unions' wet dream.
    Don't get me wrong, I don't think that Obama is necessarily OPPOSED to labor unions. But when given a choice between protectionism and free trade, I think Obama's instincts are for the latter, unless there is sufficient political pressure otherwise. I think it was just the opposite with Jimmy Carter.
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    Re: Are there any discernible political differences between Barack Obama and Jimmy Ca

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The Messiah is trying to capture all the superlatives. Since the Best President category is taken by Reagan, he's striving for the other end.

    And succeeding, too.

    The fact that you list Reagan in the "best president" category tells us everything that we need to know about your judgement.
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    Re: Are there any discernible political differences between Barack Obama and Jimmy Ca

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The fact that you list Reagan in the "best president" category tells us everything that we need to know about your judgement.
    And others questioned why I said so much is still the same. Glad you could skip the topic and go straight to an ad hom, but ain't that an infractable offense?
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    Re: Are there any discernible political differences between Barack Obama and Jimmy Ca

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The fact that you list Reagan in the "best president" category tells us everything that we need to know about your judgement.
    Yes.

    You now know that I'm astute, perfect, and correct.

    That you disagree says truckloads about you. But I'm too nice to list them, and I wouldn't live long enough to complete the task.

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    Re: Are there any discernible political differences between Barack Obama and Jimmy Ca

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yes.

    You now know that I'm astute, perfect, and correct.

    That you disagree says truckloads about you. But I'm too nice to list them, and I wouldn't live long enough to complete the task.
    I'm ashamed to say that I voted for Reagan. The one vote I wish I could take back.
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    Re: Are there any discernible political differences between Barack Obama and Jimmy Ca

    Quote Originally Posted by Libs_Luv_Weakness View Post
    Considering that Carter is widely regarded as one of the worst Presidents in U.S. history, I would say so.
    Among right wingers probably. You overstatements don't apply to everone's opinions.
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    Re: Are there any discernible political differences between Barack Obama and Jimmy Ca

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I'm ashamed to say that I voted for Reagan. The one vote I wish I could take back.
    We're ashamed you voted for Reagan, too.

    Great ones like he don't deserve such abuse.

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    Re: Are there any discernible political differences between Barack Obama and Jimmy Ca

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    Among right wingers probably. You overstatements don't apply to everone's opinions.
    It's not an opinion, it's an objective fact when measuring things like GDP growth, unemployment, inflation, foreign policy failures, and the rest.

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    Re: Are there any discernible political differences between Barack Obama and Jimmy Ca

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    We're ashamed you voted for Reagan, too.

    Great ones like he don't deserve such abuse.
    Your talking about his acting right?

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