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Should the Balloon Kids be taken by CPS?

What should happen to the Balloon Kids?

  • The parents should lose parental rights

    Votes: 3 8.1%

  • They should go to foster homes until this is sorted out

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • They should go to foster care only if parents convicted

    Votes: 1 2.7%

  • The family should be monitored by CPS for a period of time

    Votes: 15 40.5%

  • The family should stay intact unless there was physical abuse

    Votes: 18 48.6%
  • Total voters
    37
Ikari said:
There's no evidence for CPS to get involved over through. He shouldn't be monitored. The family may be ****ed up, but welcome to America. Less there is evidence that the child was actually abused, there ain't **** we can justly do.
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We've already seen that the father is all too willing to use his kids in his loony publicity schemes. What's going to happen when he needs a bit more realism next time?
 
Cephus said:
We've already seen that the father is all too willing to use his kids in his loony publicity schemes. What's going to happen when he needs a bit more realism next time?
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So, you are ready to convict before anything happens?.....:shock:
 
Cephus said:
We've already seen that the father is all too willing to use his kids in his loony publicity schemes. What's going to happen when he needs a bit more realism next time?
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Deal with it next time. There is not any evidence right now of the child being abused. You can't just send in government agents for no reason other than "well maybe next time...".
 
Cephus said:
They certainly need to be monitored, any parent who would use their child in a publicity stunt might also use their child in something more dangerous. They need to be charged for every penny used by state and federal authorities in chasing down the balloon, plus any other penalties involved in purposely launching a large balloon into air-traffic's way. Jail time wouldn't be a bad idea either.
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Mr Perfect here passing his judgment. Man I hope you're perfect. Why not put him in front of a firing squad? That's the ticket.
 
Ikari said:
Deal with it next time. There is not any evidence right now of the child being abused. You can't just send in government agents for no reason other than "well maybe next time...".
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And I've already said we shouldn't take the children away right now, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't check in from time to time to make sure nothing has changed. He's already shown that he's willing to use his children in his own get-rich schemes, I'd say that sufficient reason to keep an eye on them.
 
I have thought of a brilliant soulution to the question of the ballon kids!

Picture this!

A television announcer says:
Coming up on MythBusters, we travel to the Grand Canyon to test the myth that a weather balloon can carry a small child to altitudes of several thousand feet without dropping!
​
Play MythBusters opening sequence . . .
 
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Re: I have thought of a brilliant soulution to the question of the ballon kids!

Oftencold said:
Picture this!

A television announcer says:
Coming up on MythBusters, we travel to the Grand Canyon to test the myth that a weather balloon can carry a small child to altitudes of several thousand feet without dropping!
​
Play MythBusters opening sequence . . .
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Actually I think it would be funny as hell if mythbusters did a episode like this.

MilkandCookies - Robot Chicken: Mythbusters vs Masturbation
 
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Orius said:
CPS has too much power these days. Children are removed from homes over nothing.

No he should not be removed. He was never harmed.
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I would say these kids suffered some emotional abuse over this whole stunt and that is harmful. You could see clearly how harmful watching the poor boy have to run puke on live tv interviews:(
 
Kali said:
I would say these kids suffered some emotional abuse over this whole stunt and that is harmful. You could see clearly how harmful watching the poor boy have to run puke on live tv interviews:(
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You're kidding right? You must not have any kids. Plenty of kids suffer real emotional abuse everyday and there's nothing the CPS can do about it.
 
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Toothpicvic said:
You're kidding right? You must not have any kids. Plenty of kids suffer real emotional abuse everyday and there's nothing the CPS can do about it.
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The hell they cannot! If CPS knows that a child is suffering from verbal abuse and emotional abuse? They damn sure can do something:(
 
Kali said:
The hell they cannot! If CPS knows that a child is suffering from verbal abuse and emotional abuse? They damn sure can do something:(
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CPS has very limited resources and high caseloads. They can't intervene in every case of verbal abuse, they'd be investigating 95% of homes in America I suspect.:doh

As far as this case, let's say, for comparison, that this was a Black kid in the ghetto who was lying to help his mom turn tricks or his dad to sell drugs. Otherwise his folks are loving parents. Should CPS check into it?
 
Kali said:
The hell they cannot! If CPS knows that a child is suffering from verbal abuse and emotional abuse? They damn sure can do something:(
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We have to keep in mind cultural differences as well, especially with first-generation immigrant families.
There are cultures where children are raised very differently than they are in American families.
There are, for instance, many cultures where qualities such as humbleness and modesty are prized over "high self-esteem". And not just for female children (as is the common belief). For both sexes.
The ways in which parents from these cultures raise their children might be considered verbally or emotionally abusive by Western standards.

But in fact, this was the norm even for our culture until about the 1950s: cut your kid down to size, don't let them get a swelled head, etc.

It's only recently that we've begun this current practice of indiscriminately praising children for everything they do, so as to build "self-confidence".

We can't run around removing children from immigrant families because they don't see their duty as parents the exact same way we do.
 
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B L Zeebub said:
I concur Jallers, I would only add, the parents should be taught how to use a condom responsibly:)
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In this case it should be placed over the head and tied off at the neck.
 
You know, the more I've read about this - and watched - the more I actually worry for the children.
I've started to wonder if he's abusive (physically) and if the children are truly in danger by staying with them.

His temper in this situation (like when his son first cracked the egg, the father was trying ot contain his anger) ... and then the next day his son was vomitting and out of it...the father immediately jumped to his son's defense of *why* he's not feeling good.

Honestly, I think the father flipped, took his anger of his failed hoax out on his son, and his son suffered a concussion somehow.

However, suspicion isn't evidence, they'd have to find proof they're being mistreated - and so we'll have to wait and i hope that CPS is diligent about keeping an eye on the children.
 
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I feel the situation in the home should be investigated.
I can't vote for "CPS should remove the kids" without any concrete proof that abuse is occurring; I feel an investigation should be undertaken.

The parents are criminals; they've committed a crime. The mother has confessed.
But the penalty for committing non-violent crimes- even those involving one's children- is not necessarily "losing one's parental rights".

I would not condone the children being removed from the home unless significant abuse is found.
Foster care is no picnic for children, and these aren't babies. It would be traumatic for them to be uprooted from their family, and I wouldn't agree with it merely on the basis of this hoax. Not unless abuse is uncovered.
 
I think the dad is completely bonkers and after being on wife swap twice he and his wife are attention whores who would sell out their kids in a heartbeat for another 15 mins under the spotlight.

Judging by his demeanor and his attitude I would definately say the he is a danger to those kids...and so is she.
 
MyOwnDrum said:
CPS has very limited resources and high caseloads. They can't intervene in every case of verbal abuse, they'd be investigating 95% of homes in America I suspect.:doh

As far as this case, let's say, for comparison, that this was a Black kid in the ghetto who was lying to help his mom turn tricks or his dad to sell drugs. Otherwise his folks are loving parents. Should CPS check into it?
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The problem with this comparison is that the Ballon Boys father does not seem very loving at all and needs to get help with his anger issues.

Since this whole thing played out on live T.V. CPS has a duty to look into these childrens household and how they are treated in that home.
 
1069 said:
We have to keep in mind cultural differences as well, especially with first-generation immigrant families.
There are cultures where children are raised very differently than they are in American families.
There are, for instance, many cultures where qualities such as humbleness and modesty are prized over "high self-esteem". And not just for female children (as is the common belief). For both sexes.
The ways in which parents from these cultures raise their children might be considered verbally or emotionally abusive by Western standards.

But in fact, this was the norm even for our culture until about the 1950s: cut your kid down to size, don't let them get a swelled head, etc.

It's only recently that we've begun this current practice of indiscriminately praising children for everything they do, so as to build "self-confidence".

We can't run around removing children from immigrant families because they don't see their duty as parents the exact same way we do.
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We can and should remove a child being emotionally abused. Cutting words can sometimes hurt worse than being hit if the verbal abuse is coming from a parent. :(
 
Kali said:
The problem with this comparison is that the Ballon Boys father does not seem very loving at all and needs to get help with his anger issues.

Since this whole thing played out on live T.V. CPS has a duty to look into these childrens household and how they are treated in that home.
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So, you think the mother who has her child helping her with her prostitution business, or the father whose son helps him cover up for his drug business, are fit parents? It's okay, as long as they are nice to their kids?
 
MyOwnDrum said:
So, you think the mother who has her child helping her with her prostitution business, or the father whose son helps him cover up for his drug business, are fit parents? It's okay, as long as they are nice to their kids?
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Of course not:shock:
 
Kali said:
Of course not:shock:
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So, we're in agreement! Both parents are negligent, the middle class appearing people and the wrong side of the tracks people.
 
Kali said:
Of course not:shock:
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You should go spend some time in Amsterdam. In the redlight district it is very common to see a woman's child deliver their lunches to the door of their legitimate businesses.
 
goldendog said:
You should go spend some time in Amsterdam. In the redlight district it is very common to see a woman's child deliver their lunches to the door of their legitimate businesses.
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Here is your cucumber and condom sandwich, mommy.
 
goldendog said:
You should go spend some time in Amsterdam. In the redlight district it is very common to see a woman's child deliver their lunches to the door of their legitimate businesses.
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That is sad. Amssterdam is on my bucket list though:shock:
 
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