View Poll Results: Is the term "illegal alien" offensive?

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    Re: "Illegal Alien"

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    actually, under clinton we increased the number of employers fined, and under bush we stopped almost completely.

    fine the employers, secure the borders.
    You are right, it was under Bush. I stand corrected.

    And people wonder why I can't stand Bushes politics.

    I actually like the guy, hate his politics.
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    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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    Re: "Illegal Alien"

    i don't wonder.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: "Illegal Alien"

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    The term "alien" specifically is a propagandistic one used to convey an image of severe detachment and a complete and utter lack of commonalities between U.S. citizens and illegal immigrants. It's thus used to escape serious consideration or analysis of the general topic, which is why the authoritarian and anti-immigration talking heads are usually largely ignorant of the legitimate economic consequences of illegal immigrants' presence and their own proposed policies.
    No alien is a term used to refer to someone who is in the country that is not native born or naturalized.

    Alien Definition | Definition of Alien at Dictionary.com

    al⋅ien  /ˈeɪlyən, ˈeɪliən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [eyl-yuhn, ey-lee-uhn]

    –noun 1. a resident born in or belonging to another country who has not acquired citizenship by naturalization (distinguished from citizen ).
    2. a foreigner.
    3. a person who has been estranged or excluded.
    4. a creature from outer space; extraterrestrial.

    –adjective 5. residing under a government or in a country other than that of one's birth without having or obtaining the status of citizenship there.
    6. belonging or relating to aliens: alien property.
    7. unlike one's own; strange; not belonging to one: alien speech.
    8. adverse; hostile; opposed (usually fol. by to or from): ideas alien to modern thinking.
    9. extraterrestrial.


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    Origin:
    1300–50; ME < MF < L aliēnus, equiv. to *alies- (ali-, base of alius other + -es- n. suffix) + -nus adj. suffix


    Synonyms:
    1. immigrant. 2. See stranger. 3. outcast. 7. exotic, foreign.

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    Re: "Illegal Alien"

    Wow! A re-posting of something already mentioned to define a word that didn't have a challenged meaning so much as a challenged usage. How enlightening.

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    Re: "Illegal Alien"

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Wow! A re-posting of something already mentioned to define a word that didn't have a challenged meaning so much as a challenged usage. How enlightening.
    Read the origin of the word before you go on

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    Re: "Illegal Alien"

    The entry is also to illustrate that it isn't some slang propaganda term, but has been in use for centuries

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    Re: "Illegal Alien"

    Goodness. If only I had claimed that the term "alien" originated as a propaganda term instead of claiming that its modern usage in the context of discussion of immigration was for propagandistic purposes. If only.

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    Re: "Illegal Alien"

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    the "upper class" Mexican government officials who only speak Spanish are more ignorant than those who've learned Spanish specifically to communicate with them but have Tzotzil as their natural tongue. It strikes me as elitist as a result, I guess.
    I can't even SAY tzotzil, much less speak it, darlin. I have the limitations of thousands of years of whiteness. I also can't slur my r's.

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    Re: "Illegal Alien"

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Goodness. If only I had claimed that the term "alien" originated as a propaganda term instead of claiming that its modern usage in the context of discussion of immigration was for propagandistic purposes. If only.
    the terms have a legal meaning that is not communicated by the more propagandistic--Wait. I mean politically correct--phrase "undocumented," which implies that they have some legal status in this country but have simply set their documents aside momentarily.


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    Re: "Illegal Alien"

    I voted 'other'. My explanation is that it is offensive to some people, but not others.

    I think it is ridiculous to be offended, but nevertheless some people are offended.

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