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    Re: "Illegal Alien"

    I have no problems with illegal aliens, in fact, I tend to like them a good deal more than many Americans, but the term is not offensive.

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    Re: "Illegal Alien"

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    That's true. It's related to the fact that there's no viable left in the U.S. and therefore few people willing to advocate a truly libertarian approach to illegal immigration that involves the rollback of trade liberalization and consequent reduction of international wage differentials.
    And it's a good thing most people are not libertarians for that and many other reasons.
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    Re: "Illegal Alien"

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Actually, I'd say that both terms are used as elements of the propaganda that I mentioned.
    Be honest, you don't believe in national borders. So, of course you see it as propaganda.

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    Re: "Illegal Alien"

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    And it's a good thing most people are not libertarians for that reason.
    Actually, the "libertarians" that you're probably thinking of would advocate an expansion of "free trade."

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    Re: "Illegal Alien"

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    The term "alien" specifically is a propagandistic one used to convey an image of severe detachment and a complete and utter lack of commonalities between U.S. citizens and illegal immigrants. It's thus used to escape serious consideration or analysis of the general topic, which is why the authoritarian and anti-immigration talking heads are usually largely ignorant of the legitimate economic consequences of illegal immigrants' presence and their own proposed policies.
    The term has been used for a long time. I have found nothing that says it was a term invented for "propaganda."

    Evidence of such would be nice.
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    Re: "Illegal Alien"

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Actually, the "libertarians" that you're probably thinking of would advocate an expansion of "free trade."
    I have no problem with free trade, I would support that no problem. Open borders on the other hand, no ****ing way.

    I know many libertarians and I like most of their stands on issues. It is unfortunate that I see way to many unrealistic wants by the same people.
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    Re: "Illegal Alien"

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Be honest, you don't believe in national borders. So, of course you see it as propaganda.
    Most libertarian-minded probably have some such subconscious sentiments, but the abolition of nation-states isn't something that will occur in our lifetimes and is near the outside of the [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window"]Overton window[/ame] and will remain so until long into the "progressive future," when there's a shift. But it's propaganda regardless.

    yea, i know alliteration makes you hot; it was deliberate. (:

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    The term has been used for a long time. I have found nothing that says it was a term invented for "propaganda."

    Evidence of such would be nice.
    I already explained precisely why the term is propagandistic; "the term 'alien' specifically is a propagandistic one used to convey an image of severe detachment and a complete and utter lack of commonalities between U.S. citizens and illegal immigrants. It's thus used to escape serious consideration or analysis of the general topic, which is why the authoritarian and anti-immigration talking heads are usually largely ignorant of the legitimate economic consequences of illegal immigrants' presence and their own proposed policies."

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I have no problem with free trade, I would support that no problem. Open borders on the other hand, no ****ing way.

    I know many libertarians and I like most of their stands on issues. It is unfortunate that I see way to many unrealistic wants by the same people.
    That's a perfect recipe for authoritarianism and unethical and unfeasible policy. It's the trade liberalization that most self-identified "libertarians" and other economic rightists in the U.S. advocate that exacerbates the inequitable international wage differentials between the U.S. and Mexico and displaces rural farmers and associated agricultural workers, first driving them into urban areas of Mexico and then into the U.S. itself. To place authoritarian restrictions on border crossing after having imposed neoliberal policies is the effective equivalent of infecting someone with a virus and then maliciously stealing the antidote and running away, laughing maniacally just for added effect.

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    Re: "Illegal Alien"

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    yea, i know alliteration makes you hot; it was deliberate.
    More, please. I know you can do better.

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    Re: "Illegal Alien"

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    More, please. I know you can do better.
    It's all expended; when they came here, they surreptitiously stole my skills and scavenged my success. They took our jobs!

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    Re: "Illegal Alien"

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    It's all expended; when they came here, they surreptitiously stole my skills and scavenged my success. They took our jobs!
    Muy bueno, mi Amigo.

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