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The truth

Which is telling the truth best?

  • The politicians

    Votes: 2 12.5%

  • The western mainstream media

    Votes: 4 25.0%

  • That excellent video which is linked in this thread, that I just saw

    Votes: 2 12.5%

  • I didnt see the video

    Votes: 1 6.3%

  • Every other media than western media

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • other(explain)

    Votes: 7 43.8%
  • Total voters
    16
Maximus Zeebra

Maximus Zeebra

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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzYS9pe6FvA&feature=channel_page"]YouTube - 'Recovery is not even on horizon'[/ame]

This lady is saying the truth, which is never shown on western TV channels. We live in a media bubble, where a broken economy is claimed to be in "recovery" because it stopped collapsing because of state injections into the economy, debt that will be paid by the future generations.

She doesnt say all aspects like the west being in huge decline, and our future being gambled away in desperate attempts to try to keep an unsustainable economic model going. The western media is not only saying we are in recovery, but brainwashing us to believe it so that we start spending again, and keep the broken model afloat. On the back of the labor of our future generations that is.

Even so the total situation is far more complicated and utterly dark when you look at western society. But then again, we cannot see that because we are kept in the economic bubble, the media bubble and the government bubble, because of the interest of a tyrant class who exploit all our labour, a bunch of satans who enjoy the suffering in Africa on the back of the luxury life they create from it.

Anyways.. The question is simple.. Who is telling the truth about the economy? This video or the current western media?


PS. Russia today is an excellent place to see the truth as oppose to western media brainwashing. A different perspective is ALWAYS healthy.
 
PS. Russia Today is financied and controled by the Russian mob.
 
Other: What is happening to the US and many parts of Europe, is that they have reached a point where growth isn't possible. They are too big and their economies will shrink without a doubt. But it doesn't mean the US will become like Russia or some third world nation.

Oh, I didn't bother watching the video because it's crap since its coming from the russians.:3oops:
 
stalin_was_a_nice_being said:
PS. Russia Today is financied and controled by the Russian mob.
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They are not as criminal as our governments. They kill less people and steal less of our money.

The western media, governments and so fourth has no interest in telling the truth as long as the model they are in remains. Thats the trouble.

Whoever owns Russia today, at least do not mind the truth so much as the western slave drivers and war criminals who controls our governments and media.
 
I agree that there is little evidence of a real recovery. The person in the video though, don't sound terribly well informed, educated or insightful.
 
stalin_was_a_nice_being said:
Other: What is happening to the US and many parts of Europe, is that they have reached a point where growth isn't possible. They are too big and their economies will shrink without a doubt. But it doesn't mean the US will become like Russia or some third world nation.

Oh, I didn't bother watching the video because it's crap since its coming from the russians.:3oops:
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All economies are mismanaged. Thats the problem. The biggest problem is that the biggest economies of the world(Europe & US) is mismanaged on the back of the suffering of the rest of the world. And internally their economies are mismanaged with by the elite on back of the slavery of the people.

Most of the economy of the west actually do not exist, its just an illusion.. The problem is that we do not want to change that, but try our best to keep that illusion going, by the pain and poverty of our future generations.
 
Oftencold said:
I agree that there is little evidence of a real recovery. The person in the video though, don't sound terribly well informed, educated or insightful.
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I am not saying she is the best economist in the world. But its a real good perspective for people who are blinded by the majority of "economists" of the west, the liars who try to keep a faulty model continue and increase their own paychecks.

And it is the truth, most of what she is saying is the actual reality of what is going on. Things that are hidden by our own media, to shift the momentum and keep the broken model going.
 
Are you going to take your facts from someone who hates the US?
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
All economies are mismanaged. Thats the problem. The biggest problem is that the biggest economies of the world(Europe & US) is mismanaged on the back of the suffering of the rest of the world. And internally their economies are mismanaged with by the elite on back of the slavery of the people.

Most of the economy of the west actually do not exist, its just an illusion.. The problem is that we do not want to change that, but try our best to keep that illusion going, by the pain and poverty of our future generations.
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You know for someone whose independent you sure look at things with a very narrow view.

The Russian economy is worse off, because if W. Europe doesn't have money to buy gas and oil, then the Russians will fall. Its just the truth, and something more disgusting is that Moscow is a very expensive city and for what? The Russian's want easy money like every trader in Wall Street. Did it work out for them?

Besides something you need to understand is that economies work cycle and one of the view that can say it isn't being hurt by the global recession is not Russia but India. India will be a very powerful country.
 
Kal'Stang said:
The truth is what the facts state. And from my perspective the economy has not gotten better. It starts getting better when mass people stop loosing their jobs.
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All that means is it stopped getting worse. Has nothing to do with improvement. Improvement is an upward motion, not stagnation from one direction or another.
 
This depends on ones perceptions...Right off the bat, I'd say "NO-ONE".:spin:
Why is this ?
Its the nature of the beast.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
YouTube - 'Recovery is not even on horizon'

This lady is saying the truth, which is never shown on western TV channels. We live in a media bubble, where a broken economy is claimed to be in "recovery" because it stopped collapsing because of state injections into the economy, debt that will be paid by the future generations.

She doesn't say all aspects like the west being in huge decline, and our future being gambled away in desperate attempts to try to keep an unsustainable economic model going. The western media is not only saying we are in recovery, but brainwashing us to believe it so that we start spending again, and keep the broken model afloat. On the back of the labor of our future generations that is.

Even so the total situation is far more complicated and utterly dark when you look at western society. But then again, we cannot see that because we are kept in the economic bubble, the media bubble and the government bubble, because of the interest of a tyrant class who exploit all our labour, a bunch of satans who enjoy the suffering in Africa on the back of the luxury life they create from it.

Anyways.. The question is simple.. Who is telling the truth about the economy? This video or the current western media? This is a very poor way of arguing. An individual may or may not lie; but people do lie - so these two things cannot be used.


PS. Russia today is an excellent place to see the truth as oppose to western media brainwashing. When I see this term, then I know there are fools afoot. and there can be no debate....sadly. A different perspective is ALWAYS healthy.
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Different perspectives are generally healthy, if one can recognize them...as I say, one must know the nature of man..
Maximus, what is your solution for the poor state of Africa ?
 
Im not a big fan of terms like "western".For example terms like "western medicine" actually means medicine that works.
 
I don't really think that there is some sort of conspiracy in the media, but rather that the economics departments of most media outlets are full of Keynesians or Post-Keynesians. Thus, they believe that as long as Reserve Banks and governments prime the pump, everything will be peachy.

You may or may not agree with the economic outlook of Peter Schiff, but his constant arguments with economic gurus, from CNN to FOX, demonstrates this kind of blinkered thinking that has hoodwinked the media, commerce, and higher education.
 
earthworm said:
The Russians do not hate us, why should they ?
Maximus has his problems, I'd sooner have mine.
And, I'll not waste my time on some silly video.
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It ... was ... a ... joke.
 
stalin_was_a_nice_being said:
You know for someone whose independent you sure look at things with a very narrow view.

The Russian economy is worse off, because if W. Europe doesn't have money to buy gas and oil, then the Russians will fall. Its just the truth, and something more disgusting is that Moscow is a very expensive city and for what? The Russian's want easy money like every trader in Wall Street. Did it work out for them?

Besides something you need to understand is that economies work cycle and one of the view that can say it isn't being hurt by the global recession is not Russia but India. India will be a very powerful country.
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Who has got more money than the Europeans? With our strong Euro at the moment we have the superior spendiding power globally.

The Russian economy is far better of, and growing much faster than Europe and the US. Moscow is expensive, but Russians can travel a few miles and have one of the lowest priced basket of goods in the world. That you cannot say about the US, and only somewhat in Europe.

What is "easy money" worth as long as its just paper, backed up by nothing?
 
earthworm said:
The Russians do not hate us, why should they ?
Maximus has his problems, I'd sooner have mine.
And, I'll not waste my time on some silly video.
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Yeah, just keep looking at things in the perspective put on you by western media. Try Russia today to get the truth that western media refuses to show..
 
Kal'Stang said:
The truth is what the facts state. And from my perspective the economy has not gotten better. It starts getting better when mass people stop loosing their jobs.
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The part of the economy that doesnt matter has gotten better while the part that matters is getting worse. The part that does not matter is being pumped up with government money to hide the incredible crash that is happening in the important part of the economy.

Things will get worse.
 
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