View Poll Results: Which is telling the truth best?

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  • The politicians

    2 11.76%
  • The western mainstream media

    4 23.53%
  • That excellent video which is linked in this thread, that I just saw

    2 11.76%
  • I didnt see the video

    1 5.88%
  • Every other media than western media

    1 5.88%
  • other(explain)

    7 41.18%
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Thread: The truth

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    Re: The truth

    Interesting news, adding to the Free speech part of my answer bodhisvavtva
    YouTube - RussiaToday's Channel

    Guy who was arrested for organising protests, in the US.
    Europe is illegally occupied by the US

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    Re: The truth

    Quote Originally Posted by Seer Travis Truman View Post
    All of these are incorrect.

    The Truth is best told by Charles Manson, america's most sensitive political prisoner. Seer Charles knows Truth, he embraces Truth, he virtually IS the Truth.
    All of this is incorrect.

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    Re: The truth

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    All of this is incorrect.
    Finally in the thread is someone who is always incorrect
    Europe is illegally occupied by the US

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    Re: The truth

    Patton demands an answer for this douchebaggery.


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    Re: The truth

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Didnt have the time to reply to such a long post until now. Sorry.
    All good... sorry about the rude remark that I made.
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    Re: The truth

    Originally Posted by Bodhisattva
    Which Rights specifically have I lost in any of the preceding months? Just check off any of the following that apply...
    Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra
    Lets stop right there..

    You need to look at your government first, and look at who has collected the real powers, the president and the presidential executives have hijacked the congress. They dont rule it but they sway it easily, much more so than before.

    Who has the last president targetted and repressed in their religion? Is that the Muslims? They are now generally a target of any kind of cheap attacks from a substantial part of the American population. People are discriminated against for being Muslim, heck, people are decriminated against for even looking remotely like a person who could or could not be a Muslim. The last president and administration, basically put on a right against a whole religion and their people, and all the prejudice that was created in that fight, is still living on.. But then again, the Muslim story is not young, people in the US have been told for a century through media that Muslim people are "bad" adn "scary" by showing them as bad and scary. But then again, thats not the fault of the past administration, thats also the fault of the media who may or may not have been under the influence of the same people who influence the US government, and the peoples opinion, in your "free democracy".

    YouTube - RussiaToday's Channel

    Video link: Sikhs being ignorantly believed by Americans to be Muslims and therefor targets of Americans Muslim prejudice. And if you dont believe the Russia today link because its Russian(further American prejudice and brainwashing target), then you can basically search any media for American prejudice towards Muslims, and take a look at the history of Muslims in your media at home, and the worsening of anti Muslim sentiment with your last government.
    I have no problem with overseas media, first of all. Secondly, I asked you to show specific rights that have been lost in the United States. Nothing above indicates, let alone specifically shows, that any rights have been lost. The government is not outlawing Islam. There are mosques all over the place. I know many Muslims that have not once felt discrimination.

    This is a very complex issue. Freedom of speech has slowly been narrowing. There are many examples of that. Propaganda and brainwashing has made people believe things that arent true and narrowed down peoples perspectives on things. Free speech is now at a point in the US where its okay to speak freely as long as its within this narrow perspective. If not, if you speak against the US government for example, you can be put on the CIA list of potential terrorists. If you want to demonstrate you need a permission from the government, and the police will be there to keep it narrowed down.
    Free speech has not yet been directly attacked, but does free speech really exist in a society dominated by media propaganda, state propaganda, political propaganda and so fourth, and the narrowing down of perspectives by force and by one sided focus in things such as education, general debate, media and politics. Thats my question.. And my answer is that free speech isnt free speech anymore.

    And its interesting to look at the definition of the word "abridge", most definitions are contained in this section.
    Wait, I can and have talked about everything from assassinations of the president, racism, sexism, oppressive government tactics, Ruby Ridge, Waco… you name it. The media reports on just about everything. People talk about just about everything too… I don’t know anybody that has been arrested, let alone even questioned for what they were saying.

    I know the most hippy of Hippies that you could imagine. The biggest anti-government anti-Bush fanatics that you have ever seen, they live up where I lived for a decade north of San Francisco, where all the San Fran/Berkley Hippies of the 60’s moved after they made their money in the system that they bitch about, and they still bitch about it while on their 50 acres and with their cars, houses and money. Guess what, they never were bothered by the government either…

    Demonstrations for examples with free speech not being so, would not need approval by government to go ahead. Which is the clearest proof.
    The KKK is granted rights for parades just as is everybody else. Who is denied Maximus? They need approval, not for the government’s approval of right and wrong, but for the public safety since many times certain demonstrations turn violent and/or disrupt society at large.

    Interesting point.. Especially since the press now controls the people and the government. Dont want to say anything further on this point at the moment
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    The press controls me? Seriously? What in the world would make you think that? Any American is free to read any opinion of any of the press from anywhere in the world… or not. It is their choice. How is that being controlled? It isn’t… and you know that too.

    Yet government demand to approve demonstrations.
    And yet government has made it impossible for people to have their voices heard in government. Not legally impossible, just practically.
    I have personally gone to Council Meetings. I talked. Many talked. The Government listened. We had MacDonalds banned from setting up a franchise in our city. Our council was either the first, or the only council to start the outcry for Bush’s impeachment. The people talked and the government acted. Sounds really oppressive to me, how about you?

    Not only Muslims illegally attained from abroad in illegal warfare has been victim of endless torture, questioning, imprisonment without trial and so fourth, but even Americans and Europeans have been victims of the same.
    Secret prisons and such is a separate issue from Americans losing their freedoms and rights.

    This one is still valid. That right you people in the US still have.
    Yep, just like all of the above too…

    Still valid.
    Yep.

    Has been broken many times, and the norm is that this is not valid anymore. Both Americans, and Muslims from abroad has been victims of this failed right.
    Innocent people have always been victim to false imprisonment. This happens less and less, and it is the United States that is leading this charge, with innovations in Crime Scene procedures, DNA evidence, etc. We are releasing innocent people now that have been found innocent of past crimes with these procedures too. Are some getting caught up in the anti-terror campaign? Yes. Does this fact mean that Americans are losing their rights? No.

    Except is he is in any way suspected of being a terrorist, that is even if he only says something negative about the US government. Including US citizens, and third or more generation Americans.
    Implication of this is that a person who wants freedom from repression of the US government, can be branded a terrorist, and thrown in jail indefinetely, questioned and tortured the rest of his life, and executed in secrecy.
    This is all you have really… Bush’s war on terror and how it abuses some people. Well, if that is all you have then that aint much my friend.

    This has been invalid for ages. All bails these days are excessive.
    Define excessive then. I think that a million dollars for a murder suspect is not excessive at all.

    Ever heard of the RIIA and copyright breach cases? Plenty of people have been fined millions of dollars for copyright breaches.

    Many people have been charged 100ds of thousands of dollars for breaching the copyrights of just a few songs or movies.

    And thats poor people, not rich. Their life has been ruined.
    Then guess what? They have another right that we have here in the USA that most people in the rest of the ****ty ass backward world don’t have, and that is the right to appeal a conviction or decision.

    How about execution? Whats more cruel than taking someone life?
    I am in favour of the Death Penalty and I don’t find it either a cruel or unusual consequence for the crimes of murder, rape, molestation or kidnapping.

    Basicall, you have yet to show any loss of rights...
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