View Poll Results: Which is telling the truth best?

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  • The politicians

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  • The western mainstream media

    4 23.53%
  • That excellent video which is linked in this thread, that I just saw

    2 11.76%
  • I didnt see the video

    1 5.88%
  • Every other media than western media

    1 5.88%
  • other(explain)

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Thread: The truth

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    Re: The truth

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    Awwwww, I'm weely sowwy! I hope I didn't huwt yow feewings...

    Nah, you didnt. You are just beyond saving.
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    Re: The truth

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Putin has manipulated power towards the Prime Ministership, he is still the leader in Russia aka the Dictator.
    Yeah, and Wall Street have collected all the powers of the US government i the hand of the president, whom they control..

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Ya they liberated Georgian territory from Georgia, it was a war crime not a liberation. Oh and FYI I think a government would have to actually be liberal before it could liberate anyone.
    Yah, like the US liberated the people from Saddam Hussein into an Iraq worse of, with no strong leader to control a people out of control.

    Actually Russia liberated South Ossetia from Georgian oppression and the tyrant George Saakashvili. That man is clearly insane, and the country is under his total control. Fact is Georgia attacked first, Russia protected.
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    Re: The truth

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Yeah, and Wall Street have collected all the powers of the US government i the hand of the president, whom they control..
    Um no if anything the state now controls wallstreet, deciding how much CEO's can get payed, who gets bonuses and what not.

    Yah, like the US liberated the people from Saddam Hussein into an Iraq worse of, with no strong leader to control a people out of control.
    Um no Iraq has had internationally recognized free and fair elections and security has improved greatly since the initial overthrow of Saddam.

    Actually Russia liberated South Ossetia from Georgian oppression and the tyrant George Saakashvili. That man is clearly insane, and the country is under his total control. Fact is Georgia attacked first, Russia protected.
    Georgia is a liberal democracy, Russia is am authoritarian state led by a dictator named Putin who engaged in a war of conquest and stole internationally recognized Georgian territory. Fact S. Ossettian terrorists attacked first, Georgia responded accordingly to unprovoked aggression by moving troops into their own territory and then Russia decided to invade a sovereign countries territory in a war of conquest.

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    Re: The truth

    Saakashvili's a liberal democrat?

    You've found another subject in which actual research might aid you more than repetition of platitudinous rightist talking points, comrade.

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    Re: The truth

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Saakashvili's a liberal democrat?

    You've found another subject in which actual research might aid you more than repetition of platitudinous rightist talking points, comrade.
    He's far more liberal than his predecessors and Georgia gets a better ranking than Russia by Freedomhouse.
    Last edited by Agent Ferris; 11-02-09 at 05:10 PM.

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    Re: The truth

    Didn't think that you had the ability or integrity to attempt to back up your position with anything substantial Maximus.
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    Re: The truth

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Um no if anything the state now controls wallstreet, deciding how much CEO's can get payed, who gets bonuses and what not.



    Um no Iraq has had internationally recognized free and fair elections and security has improved greatly since the initial overthrow of Saddam.



    Georgia is a liberal democracy, Russia is am authoritarian state led by a dictator named Putin who engaged in a war of conquest and stole internationally recognized Georgian territory. Fact S. Ossettian terrorists attacked first, Georgia responded accordingly to unprovoked aggression by moving troops into their own territory and then Russia decided to invade a sovereign countries territory in a war of conquest.
    What you write is ridiculous and naive. What kind of influence are you under? Certainly not a very rich perspective.

    Lets just end this debate between us by agreeing that we totally disagree on everything we talked about, and probably will diagree on any topic in any future debate as well.
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    Re: The truth

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Which Rights specifically have I lost in any of the preceding months? Just check off any of the following that apply...
    Okay. Should I just say all of them indescriminately?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or


    Lets stop right there..

    You need to look at your government first, and look at who has collected the real powers, the president and the presidential executives have hijacked the congress. They dont rule it but they sway it easily, much more so than before.

    Who has the last president targetted and repressed in their religion? Is that the Muslims? They are now generally a target of any kind of cheap attacks from a substantial part of the American population. People are discriminated against for being Muslim, heck, people are decriminated against for even looking remotely like a person who could or could not be a Muslim. The last president and administration, basically put on a right against a whole religion and their people, and all the prejudice that was created in that fight, is still living on.. But then again, the Muslim story is not young, people in the US have been told for a century through media that Muslim people are "bad" adn "scary" by showing them as bad and scary. But then again, thats not the fault of the past administration, thats also the fault of the media who may or may not have been under the influence of the same people who influence the US government, and the peoples opinion, in your "free democracy".

    YouTube - RussiaToday's Channel

    Video link: Sikhs being ignorantly believed by Americans to be Muslims and therefor targets of Americans Muslim prejudice. And if you dont believe the Russia today link because its Russian(further American prejudice and brainwashing target), then you can basically search any media for American prejudice towards Muslims, and take a look at the history of Muslims in your media at home, and the worsening of anti Muslim sentiment with your last government.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    abridging the freedom of:
    speech

    This is a very complex issue. Freedom of speech has slowly been narrowing. There are many examples of that. Propaganda and brainwashing has made people believe things that arent true and narrowed down peoples perspectives on things. Free speech is now at a point in the US where its okay to speak freely as long as its within this narrow perspective. If not, if you speak against the US government for example, you can be put on the CIA list of potential terrorists. If you want to demonstrate you need a permission from the government, and the police will be there to keep it narrowed down.
    Free speech has not yet been directly attacked, but does free speech really exist in a society dominated by media propaganda, state propaganda, political propaganda and so fourth, and the narrowing down of perspectives by force and by one sided focus in things such as education, general debate, media and politics. Thats my question.. And my answer is that free speech isnt free speech anymore.

    And its interesting to look at the definition of the word "abridge", most definitions are contained in this section.
    Quote Originally Posted by en.wiktionary.org/wiki/abridge
    To make shorter; to shorten in duration; to lessen; to diminish; to curtail; as, to abridge labor; to abridge power or rights; To shorten or contract by using fewer words, yet retaining the sense; to epitomize; to condense; as, to abridge a history or dictionary; To deprive; to cut off ...
    No matter if that is presidential executives, congress, or any other goverment instituiton, freeom of speech has been "narrowed", "fit", "lessened", "shortened" and so fourth.

    Demonstrations for examples with free speech not being so, would not need approval by government to go ahead. Which is the clearest proof.



    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    the press
    Interesting point.. Especially since the press now controls the people and the government. Dont want to say anything further on this point at the moment.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    the right of the people peaceably to assemble
    to petition the Government for a redress of grievances
    Yet government demand to approve demonstrations.
    And yet government has made it impossible for people to have their voices heard in government. Not legally impossible, just practically.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated,
    PATRIOT ACT snables the government to do these things in the narrowed down version of the term "unreasonable":

    FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION:
    Government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity to assist terror investigations.

    FREEDOM OF INFORMATION:
    Government has closed once-public immigration hearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and has encouraged bureaucrats to resist public records questions.

    FREEDOM OF SPEECH:
    Government may prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone that the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation.

    RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION:
    Government may monitor federal prison jailhouse conversations between attorneys and clients, and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes.

    FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES:
    Government may search and seize Americans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigation.

    RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL:
    Government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial.

    RIGHT TO LIBERTY:
    Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
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    no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized
    Read above section.. + the government can fish for a judge to give a warrant. Warrants were made federal.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger;
    Not only Muslims illegally attained from abroad in illegal warfare has been victim of endless torture, questioning, imprisonment without trial and so fourth, but even Americans and Europeans have been victims of the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb;
    This one is still valid. That right you people in the US still have.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself,
    Still valid.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
    Has been broken many times, and the norm is that this is not valid anymore. Both Americans, and Muslims from abroad has been victims of this failed right.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation
    Still valid.(I assume)

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and
    to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation;
    to be confronted with the witnesses against him;
    to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and
    to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence
    Except is he is in any way suspected of being a terrorist, that is even if he only says something negative about the US government. Including US citizens, and third or more generation Americans.
    Implication of this is that a person who wants freedom from repression of the US government, can be branded a terrorist, and thrown in jail indefinetely, questioned and tortured the rest of his life, and executed in secrecy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Excessive bail shall not be required,


    This has been invalid for ages. All bails these days are excessive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    nor excessive fines imposed,
    Ever heard of the RIIA and copyright breach cases? Plenty of people have been fined millions of dollars for copyright breaches.

    Many people have been charged 100ds of thousands of dollars for breaching the copyrights of just a few songs or movies.

    And thats poor people, not rich. Their life has been ruined.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted
    How about execution? Whats more cruel than taking someone life?

    Bill of Rights
    European Charter of Fundamental Rights
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    Re: The truth

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Didn't think that you had the ability or integrity to attempt to back up your position with anything substantial Maximus.
    Didnt have the time to reply to such a long post until now. Sorry.
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    Re: The truth

    Which is telling the truth best?
    The politicians
    The western mainstream media
    That excellent video which is linked in this thread, that I just saw
    I didnt see the video
    Every other media than western media
    other(explain)
    All of these are incorrect.

    The Truth is best told by Charles Manson, america's most sensitive political prisoner. Seer Charles knows Truth, he embraces Truth, he virtually IS the Truth.

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