View Poll Results: Which is telling the truth best?

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  • The politicians

    2 11.76%
  • The western mainstream media

    4 23.53%
  • That excellent video which is linked in this thread, that I just saw

    2 11.76%
  • I didnt see the video

    1 5.88%
  • Every other media than western media

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Thread: The truth

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    Re: The truth

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I hate the people who have hijacked and ruined America. People who have burned the constitution and changed the idea of America.
    The Constitution has not been burned, not even metaphorically. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights are visibly protected by laws and how the government and society interact within the construct of the Social Contract.


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    And our Max is a prankster...My humor sense needs work
    He is more of an Anti-American mud slinging Euro-snob than a prankster.
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    Re: The truth

    I didn't watch the video (dial-up dinosaur here), but I don't need to see it to realize that our economy is much worse than politicians or most people in the press are willing to say. Due primarily to our social programs and government intervention in business and corporations (not to mention defense- but at least that is constitutional), our current government promises are unsustainable, and if we weren't going through an economic crisis now, it would still be inevitable. The printing presses are running full speed, we are borrowing phenomenal amounts of money, and whether we take the slow road, or the fast lane, it will result in the same thing.

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    Re: The truth

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    The Constitution has not been burned, not even metaphorically. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights are visibly protected by laws and how the government and society interact within the construct of the Social Contract.
    Hah, you sorry people over there lose your rights every month. They are taken away from you by the political class and the building of a fascist totalitarian state.


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    He is more of an Anti-American mud slinging Euro-snob than a prankster.
    I am trying to clean the mud of you people that the political class of your country thew on you.

    You Americans better wake the **** up, or in the end find yourself in the 21st century equal to the Hitler third reich. (Germans never realized either)
    I bet Hitler dreamed of biometrics and surveilance in his reich, and thats what you will have in your in addition to all the Hitler ****.. And yeah, this time its not Jews, but Muslims who will be the victims. Also the people of America and around the world with them, either in never ending slavery or in never ending war, most likely both.
    Europe is illegally occupied by the US

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    Re: The truth

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    lmfao ya what with the arrest and murders of opposition journalists.
    Did "Russia today" the newsnetwork do that?
    Europe is illegally occupied by the US

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    Re: The truth

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Did "Russia today" the newsnetwork do that?
    The Russian government kills, threatens, attacks and arrests journalists who criticize them, Putin is a dictator, a war criminal, and Russia is a fascist state.

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    Re: The truth

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    They are not as criminal as our governments. They kill less people and steal less of our money.
    Hey...chicken little....


    History is full of intellectual ideologists who believe they can manage people and organize them. The intellectual response, whether Marxist or Nationalist (and Islamic now), is to kill and torment men and women until they behave simply. The industrial age convinced intellectuals that humanity could be reduced to an assembly line. In the twentieth century, the cost of Nazi and Communist failure was hundreds of millions of corpses from Germany to Cambodia. Therefore, they did not kill less people than the west, unless you need Germany to represent the entire West. I'm sure the French or the Poles or the Belgians might have a problem with sharing the bad mark.

    And the theft of wealth and money? Communism and Socialism ensures that no one can rise above the other. While the Kremlin and other capitals became fat and wealthy combatting capitalism and free enterprise, the masses were poor and in lines for bread. Tens of millions of people were oppressed and denied religious expression in the Russian Caucusus. You think this all went away because they turned a new leaf? Or is it because they lost?

    Your quest to self flagilate yourself into a coma, while presenting the very dark side of humanity orchestrated by our enemies as "less criminal" is less than pathetic. Corruption exists in every government, but only in the west will you find it unacceptable and answerable to the people. Between our rival politicians and our medias, petty sins can't even catch a break. Our politicians never escape a scandal made public, always stepping down, impeached, or forced to explain. How often do rival politicians get arrested in Russia?

    Notice how the freer a society is the more conspiracy theories there are? It's not because there are conspiracies run amuck. It's because people are more freer to be fools and out media is free to celebrate these fools as long as it fetches a dime for their troubles. In Russia, no scandal becomes global knowledge and no conspioracy dreamer is free to be exploited. Russia cracks down on its media. It's not the government that is answerable to the people. It is the people who answer to the government. Perhaps the greatest dissapointing population on earth is Russia because they slowly gave away their freedoms in exchange for security throughout the 90s until once again they threaten to pretend back to power. You really think they are any different without power?

    Russia not as criminal? Kill less people and steal less money? You must really despise yourself that you would be easily convinced that the west is anything close to what the other side has produced.
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    Re: The truth

    Quote Originally Posted by jr602az View Post
    WTF!!! Maximus Zeebra, WHY THE HELL DO YOU HAVE A PICTURE OF A AMERICAN FLAG GETTING BURNED!!!!
    He's just representin'.

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    Re: The truth

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    And the theft of wealth and money? Communism and Socialism ensures that no one can rise above the other. While the Kremlin and other capitals became fat and wealthy combatting capitalism and free enterprise, the masses were poor and in lines for bread.
    This is mere repetition of the political regimes' self-description without actual consideration of whether or not there was any ideological loyalty to socialist principles present as a means of allegedly discrediting socialism and communism. This possesses no more validity than reference to the "People's Republic" of China as an example of the failure of republicanism. That's what keeps people parroting the line that capitalism involves free enterprise...

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    Re: The truth

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    You Americans better wake the **** up, or in the end find yourself in the 21st century equal to the Hitler third reich. (Germans never realized either)
    I bet Hitler dreamed of biometrics and surveilance in his reich, and thats what you will have in your in addition to all the Hitler ****.. And yeah, this time its not Jews, but Muslims who will be the victims. Also the people of America and around the world with them, either in never ending slavery or in never ending war, most likely both.
    1) Muslim riots
    2) Muslim ghettos
    3) Most terrorist plots orchestrated and hatched

    Does America fit this description or is this Europe? One has to consider the reality of things. The more wealthy and educated of Muslims from the Middle East largely cross the English Channel or the Atlantic Ocean. The poor and uneducated merely trek across borders. The Muslim immigration into Europe is getting exponentially worse. An already over burdened social environment coupled with wide sweeping regular unemployment will not get kinder.

    Now, it is estimated that the region has about 50 or 60 years left of crude oil left in the desert. But practicality has us considering China's rise and need for exponentially more as it catches up with the west, especially America, in terms of industrialization. This 50 or 60 years is a generous prediction. Now, what do you think will happen when the oil runs out in the desert? Those wealthy enough and eductaed enough will pull out visas and travel across bodies of water. The rest? They will join with their brothers and sisters in the ghettos of Europe. And with Europe's track record of behaving badly in a crisis....where will the next big global ethnic cleansing or massacres be hosted?

    Your doomsayer's tongue lacks some practicality and reality. The evidence is happening right before your eyes every day. America will be fine across the ocean welcoming the educated and wealthy right on is as it has always done. It has spent two centuries developing programs to deal with immigrants and to assimilate them into the equality fold of America.

    Europe is on an uncorrectable path to disaster and great violence and today it refuses to address it abroad before it becomes a door step smack in the face. History repeats itself in Europe over and over and over and over....

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    Re: The truth

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Hah, you sorry people over there lose your rights every month. They are taken away from you by the political class and the building of a fascist totalitarian state.
    Which Rights specifically have I lost in any of the preceding months? Just check off any of the following that apply...

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or
    abridging the freedom of:
    speech
    the press
    the right of the people peaceably to assemble
    to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and
    no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized

    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger;
    nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb;
    nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself,
    nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
    nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation

    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and
    to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation;
    to be confronted with the witnesses against him;
    to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and
    to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence

    Excessive bail shall not be required,
    nor excessive fines imposed,
    nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted


    Bill of Rights


    I am trying to clean the mud of you people that the political class of your country thew on you.
    Examples please...

    You Americans better wake the **** up, or in the end find yourself in the 21st century equal to the Hitler third reich. (Germans never realized either)
    There are gangs of Black Shirts running around causing riots for the republicans then?
    Who is being shipped off to concentration camps specifically in mass to be murdered?
    What propoganda specifically is targeted at Americans instilling racial and cultural superiority over any other?

    Anything at all would be a nice start... thanks.

    I bet Hitler dreamed of biometrics and surveilance in his reich, and thats what you will have in your in addition to all the Hitler ****..
    Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies

    Alias:
    Argumentum ad Nazium
    Reductio ad Hitlerum


    Logical Fallacy: The Hitler Card

    And yeah, this time its not Jews, but Muslims who will be the victims. Also the people of America and around the world with them, either in never ending slavery or in never ending war, most likely both.
    You are a victim of Orwellian Paranoia, it seems... Like Katiegrl, what freedoms or rights have a lost that my parents or grandparents had? My dad is a pretty smart guy, and he doesn't seem to notice any lose of freedoms or rights and feels nothing like a potential or soon to be slave. How are we doomed to slavery? What is it that you see that we ALL seem to be missing? What insights lead you to this line of thought?
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    Usually a gag for wise mouthed insulting little girls. Then some good nylon rope so I can tie them up, toss them in the trunk of my car and forget about them.

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