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    Do Rational Humans Desire to Live Free?

    Generally speaking, rational human beings desire to live free.

    Yes or no?

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    Re: Do Rational Humans Desire to Live Free?

    Yes with a slight no.

    We desire to make our own choices but humans in general gravitate towards living in groups and as a result enforce rules agreed upon by the group.

    So yes we desire to live free but at the same time restrain ourselves by laws we choose to enforce for societal order.
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    Re: Do Rational Humans Desire to Live Free?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Yes with a slight no.

    We desire to make our own choices but humans in general gravitate towards living in groups and as a result enforce rules agreed upon by the group.

    So yes we desire to live free but at the same time restrain ourselves by laws we choose to enforce for societal order.
    Freedom doesn't mean anarchy. Submitting to just laws which secure liberty is not a form of sacrificing liberty, indeed, itís the exact opposite.

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    Re: Do Rational Humans Desire to Live Free?

    Yes. I think most rational folk would want to live free. Some form of society where you have laws and a makeup to protect the rights of the individual. Allowing open, free market capitalism. All these things are, I believe, naturally concluded from rationale.
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    Re: Do Rational Humans Desire to Live Free?

    Entirely dependent on the used definition of freedom and the relation of the word in the spoken context.

    I voted yes, since I am willing to assume that you are speaking about the freedom of choice, and not, say, the freedom of press or freedom of speech.
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    Re: Do Rational Humans Desire to Live Free?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Freedom doesn't mean anarchy. Submitting to just laws which secure liberty is not a form of sacrificing liberty, indeed, itís the exact opposite.
    For absolute freedom anarchy is a must, though you also get chaos along with this. Laws and rules by definition suppress freedom.

    I'm not an advocate of anarchy. I believe structure and laws need to be in place to maintain order. Suppressing bits of freedom for order is a must to avoid anarchy and chaos.
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    Re: Do Rational Humans Desire to Live Free?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Generally speaking, rational human beings desire to live free.

    Yes or no?
    I'm not so sure that's a universal truth. I think there's a bit of ethnocentrism in believing that ALL humans feel the same most Americans do.
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    Re: Do Rational Humans Desire to Live Free?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I'm not so sure that's a universal truth. I think there's a bit of ethnocentrism in believing that ALL humans feel the same most Americans do.
    So, there are people who desire to live in a cage?


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    Re: Do Rational Humans Desire to Live Free?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    So, there are people who desire to live in a cage?

    I wouldn't phrase it quite like that, but most of the world's population views "freedom" in very different terms than European-based cultures do, and it may not be a high priority. For example, Saudi Arabia and Venezuela are very happy nations.



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    Re: Do Rational Humans Desire to Live Free?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I wouldn't phrase it quite like that, but most of the world's population views "freedom" in very different terms than European-based cultures do, and it may not be a high priority. For example, Saudi Arabia and Venezuela are very happy nations.



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