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    Re: Do Rational Humans Desire to Live Free?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I wouldn't phrase it quite like that, but most of the world's population views "freedom" in very different terms than European-based cultures do, and it may not be a high priority. For example, Saudi Arabia and Venezuela are among the happiest nations in the world.

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    Freedom is the ability to make choices in accordance with our will; what rational human being does not possess this desire at their core, even if they content themselves with the status quo?

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    Re: Do Rational Humans Desire to Live Free?

    I'm not so sure. We think so because most of us have grown up with it, in the same way that those Venezuelans are probably only happy because Mr. Chavez tells them they should be happy.
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    Re: Do Rational Humans Desire to Live Free?

    I would agree with that it is rational to want to live free. Where the trouble starts, is when responsibility for that freedom is shunned.
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    Re: Do Rational Humans Desire to Live Free?

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    I would agree with that it is rational to want to live free.
    I disagree. I think it is human to want to live free. Want for freedom is as rational as love or anger or any other emotion- not rational at all. That doesn't make it a bad thing, mind.

    When you try to rationalize freedom, as with any other emotion, people come to different conclusions, whereas when we rely on emotions we more or less come to the same conclusion- that freedom (although everyone defines it differently) is a good thing. Thus people who rely on reason are less likely to desire freedom. At least that is what I think.

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    Re: Do Rational Humans Desire to Live Free?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I wouldn't phrase it quite like that, but most of the world's population views "freedom" in very different terms than European-based cultures do, and it may not be a high priority. For example, Saudi Arabia and Venezuela are very happy nations.



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    I somehow doubt that the women of Saudi Arabia are particularly happy. Or the homosexuals, for that matter.

    It is very difficult to measure happiness, especially with all the countries in the world whose data are questionable.

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    Re: Do Rational Humans Desire to Live Free?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Freedom doesn't mean anarchy. Submitting to just laws which secure liberty is not a form of sacrificing liberty, indeed, itís the exact opposite.
    In that case, I don't really get what you're asking.
    Most people willing to submit to laws also don't mind receiving the occasional kickback. Is that where this is going?
    Following laws indiscriminately like a bunch of sheep doesn't make us "un-free", but accepting government assistance does?

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    Re: Do Rational Humans Desire to Live Free?

    First, I want to see where the data from that map comes from.
    Then, I still think we can say that society plays a big role in what a "rational" human wants to do. I'm sure the Soviets tried to brainwash people into thinking that collectivism (or their flawed version of it ) was the clear rational thing to be. Did it work?

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    Re: Do Rational Humans Desire to Live Free?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    In that case, I don't really get what you're asking.
    Most people willing to submit to laws also don't mind receiving the occasional kickback. Is that where this is going?
    Following laws indiscriminately like a bunch of sheep doesn't make us "un-free", but accepting government assistance does?
    Freedom is the ability to make choices in accordance with our will. I'm simply wanting to know if most humans desire these circumstances.

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    Re: Do Rational Humans Desire to Live Free?

    If that's your definition, then yes.
    By definition, people want things according to their will.

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    Re: Do Rational Humans Desire to Live Free?

    I voted no, for several reasons.

    It's been my observation that humans value relative freedom. For example, people in the developed world, like Americans, Canadians, Europeans, etc., judge their freedoms based on comparison with nations that have less of it. But we are not free. In fact, people fear true freedom and have always welcomed some degree of subjugation in order to placate that fear.

    Also, a person enjoys freedom in a selfish sense, as it relates to his life, property, goods, relationships, his interactions; but he does not care enough about the freedom of his neighbors. This is the reason why freedoms are on the decline: people care only about their own freedoms, but fail to see why the freedoms and happiness of others matter just as much. Thus, they in turn end up losing freedoms.

    I would also say that freedom is a state of mind. People look to the external to change their life circumstances. They want to re-arrange what is outside of themselves in order to feel happier and in order to feel more free, but only end up feeling miserable. Political freedom is something you fight for, I suppose... but fighting the external won't change the internal.

    So I guess in summary, I'll just say that people first must understand what freedom is before they can have a rational desire to welcome it into their lives. People define freedom according to politics when that's not what it is at all.

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