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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    But marriage is a ceremony by the church, and gays definetely should not be able to force the church to marry them, therefor the state must provide them a document which entitle them equal rights. Is my fair interpretation..
    No, of course not.
    But the state should recognize them under the 14th amendment just like they recognize normal marriages and give them similar legal/tax benefits.

    Aside from that I think gay relations and the accomodations of such as is happening in our society is completely wrong and utterly ridiculous. As is giving women the same right without giving them the same obligations as men. As in example of countries with drafts where women are quoted into boards of directors, but not quoted into military drafting. Not drafted at all actually. Equal rights should be equal rights, no exception.
    As for the 2nd part of your post, what responsibilities do gays not have?

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Part in bold is the only relevant part for gays.

    Gender is not race. Under the equal law paragraph the US state should provide gays equal protection under the law as a married couple. But marriage is a ceremony by the church, and gays definetely should not be able to force the church to marry them, therefor the state must provide them a document which entitle them equal rights. Is my fair interpretation..

    Aside from that I think gay relations and the accomodations of such as is happening in our society is completely wrong and utterly ridiculous. As is giving women the same right without giving them the same obligations as men. As in example of countries with drafts where women are quoted into boards of directors, but not quoted into military drafting. Not drafted at all actually. Equal rights should be equal rights, no exception.
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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Voldemort View Post
    No, of course not.
    But the state should recognize them under the 14th amendment just like they recognize normal marriages and give them similar legal/tax benefits.
    That is the fair interpreation..

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Voldemort View Post
    As for the 2nd part of your post, what responsibilities do gays not have?
    I dont like gays because they are overdoing it in their fight for equality just like women. In their fight for equality, it seems almost as they want more, to be treated as petty handicapped beings who needs extra advantages. That is not fair, nor should it be the case. 100% equal rights and obligations under the law is the only solution.

    I find the gay right movement disgusting. Those people act more like retards than gays. They ruin it for every non retarded gay person who just want equal rights, and breed hatred among people who thinks costume, outrageous, rubber wearing nasty acting gays in parade, is the norm, as oppose to any regular guy at work who just happens to be gay when he goes home.
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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    That is the fair interpreation..



    I dont like gays because they are overdoing it in their fight for equality just like women. In their fight for equality, it seems almost as they want more, to be treated as petty handicapped beings who needs extra advantages. That is not fair, nor should it be the case. 100% equal rights and obligations under the law is the only solution.

    I find the gay right movement disgusting. Those people act more like retards than gays. They ruin it for every non retarded gay person who just want equal rights, and breed hatred among people who thinks costume, outrageous, rubber wearing nasty acting gays in parade, is the norm, as oppose to any regular guy at work who just happens to be gay when he goes home.
    Looks like you other posts regarding our loss of freedoms is mere "Projection".

    Do you know this term? You should look it up right quick and see who the victim really is Maximus.
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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Part in bold is the only relevant part for gays.

    Gender is not race. Under the equal law paragraph the US state should provide gays equal protection under the law as a married couple. But marriage is a ceremony by the church, and gays definetely should not be able to force the church to marry them, therefor the state must provide them a document which entitle them equal rights. Is my fair interpretation..

    Aside from that I think gay relations and the accomodations of such as is happening in our society is completely wrong and utterly ridiculous. As is giving women the same right without giving them the same obligations as men. As in example of countries with drafts where women are quoted into boards of directors, but not quoted into military drafting. Not drafted at all actually. Equal rights should be equal rights, no exception.
    No religious institution should be forced to perform marriage ceremonies for people who do not share the values of that institution.

    If a church wanted to deny marriages to people based on height, weight, race, hair color, or political affiliation, they should.

    Now, that said, you are missing the boat when you say that "marriage is a ceremony by the church." Marriage can be a ceremony by a church, and it can be a civil contract free of religious overtones.

    Gender may not be race, but that changes nothing. It changes nothing about the fact that there is a definitive parallel between denying someone civil marriage based on race, and denying someone based on gender. Both are using an immaterial characteristic of a person to deny them right to enter a civil contract with the consenting adult of their choosing.

    And, on another note, what on Earth are you talking about when you say "gay relations and the accommodations of such as is happening in our society is completely wrong and utterly ridiculous?" What "accommodations," and exactly why are said accommodations wrong?

    What is your yardstick for determining right and wrong?

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra
    I dont like gays because they are overdoing it in their fight for equality just like women. In their fight for equality, it seems almost as they want more, to be treated as petty handicapped beings who needs extra advantages. That is not fair, nor should it be the case. 100% equal rights and obligations under the law is the only solution.

    I find the gay right movement disgusting. Those people act more like retards than gays. They ruin it for every non retarded gay person who just want equal rights, and breed hatred among people who thinks costume, outrageous, rubber wearing nasty acting gays in parade, is the norm, as oppose to any regular guy at work who just happens to be gay when he goes home.
    First of all, I am a gay man who happens to agree with you. There is far too much attention paid to the fringe members of the "gay community" (a laughable term if ever there was one) which is nothing more than a detriment to the rest of us.

    Not all of us, in fact only a very small minority of us, care about "Gay Pride Parades" and obnoxious twinks in g-strings and glitter. All those public displays do is further the ingorance of people who assume we are all that way.

    Second, be careful with statements like "I don't like gays." When you begin a post that way, no matter your reasoning behind the sentiment, it is likely a lot of people will just stop reading, thus negating any point for an explanation.

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Let's just get to the point here. Homosexuality, especially amongst men, is repulsive. The majority of the population does not want to accept it as normal, legitimate behavior. The government is supposed to be an engine of the peoples' will. If it operates as designed, then gay marriage will not be passed for quite some time. Prop 8 could not even be defeated in the most liberal state in the union.

    Stop trying to act as if the majority of the population should be forced to accept this agenda. That is the most unconstitutional thing imaginable.

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Libs_Luv_Weakness View Post
    Let's just get to the point here. Homosexuality, especially amongst men, is repulsive. The majority of the population does not want to accept it as normal, legitimate behavior.
    How about a compromise then? We allow the people who are gay to marry people of the same gender, but we let the people who are straight marry people who are of the opposite gender. That way nobody needs to be involved in anything they find repulsive. Win-win!

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    How about a compromise then? We allow the people who are gay to marry people of the same gender, but we let the people who are straight marry people who are of the opposite gender. That way nobody needs to be involved in anything they find repulsive. Win-win!
    Gays can be together all they want. That does not mean they can redefine a millenias-old institution.

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Libs_Luv_Weakness View Post
    Gays can be together all they want. That does not mean they can redefine a millenias-old institution.
    If you aren't gay, how would allowing gay people to marry effect you? "Redefining a millenias-old institution" is just a catchy sounding phrase with no substantive impact. Just because you think something is gross personally isn't a reason to make it illegal. To justify your stance you would need to provide a tangible negative impact that is larger than the tangible positive impact that allowing tens of millions people the legal protections offered by marriage.

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