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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    There should be a will. I'm 28 and I have a will.

    Maybe it's the businessman in me but I leave nothing to assumptions. If it's not written down and agreed upon it doesn't exist.
    If a house transfers ownership without a will, the receiver may be liable for income tax.

    Remember when Oprah's audience was caught off guard when the fed told them they had to pay taxes on the cars she gave away, and they were now in a higher tax-bracket due to the value of the car?

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    The presence of a will invokes inheritance laws, which can still carry fees, but not a severe.
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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    I have to say no. The issue of who can marry who is a State issue with each state having different laws. The 14th Amendment prohibits laws that discriminate over surface issues like race. Gender is not a difference that is only on the surface but is inextricably differential at both physical and physical and even spiritual levels. Therefore the argument that we cannot prohibit the marriage of same gender couples is false at least through the 14th Admendment.

    Now we do have and Equal Faith and Credit Clause for such things as marriage but that is in part governed by Congress and would have the final say about it irregardless of what the Supreme Court may say. But this is not a Constitutional Right but is the process of making regular the licences between the States.
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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Okay fine make your own private world. See if I or anyone else cares. In the mean time I will stick with reality.
    Again:
    I see you recognize that you cannot defend your position.

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Read the 14th. It doesn't say right. It says privilege. If marriage is a privilege then the states can not under the 14th amendment deny it. If it is a right. It can not denied either.

    “No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Read the 14th. It doesn't say right. It says privilege. If marriage is a privilege then the states can not under the 14th amendment deny it. If it is a right. It can not denied either.
    Yes... but the question is:
    Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right?

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Yes... but the question is:
    Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right?
    Irrelevant. Neither States nor the federal government have the power to deny it to citizens be it a privilege OR a constitutional right. Unless the states decide to do away with marriage all together then the fact that they call it a privilege would indicate to me that under the constitution they have no grounds to deny it to gay couples.
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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Irrelevant. Neither States nor the federal government have the power to deny it to citizens if it is a privilege OR a constitutional right.
    Well they seem to think they do, and have.
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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Irrelevant.
    Irrelevant?
    Its the topic under discusion.
    See: title of topic

    Your quotation of the 14th amendment sheds no light on the issue.

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Well they seem to think they do, and have.
    They also made Jim Crow laws. You place too much faith on this states rights bull****.
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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    They also made Jim Crow laws. You place too much faith on this states rights bull****.
    No, I am just stating facts.

    States rights are one of the core values this nation was founded under.

    Of course you seem to like Federal Government involvement and entitlement in every aspect of peoples lives, so oh well.
    Last edited by Black Dog; 10-20-09 at 12:13 PM.
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