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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Wow you won in 1923 great. And the likelyhood of that happening today is what?
    I guess we'll eventually find out, won't we

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Well gays are getting married in all 50 states and some of them recognize them.
    This does nothing to support your point.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Well gays are getting married in all 50 states and some of them recognize them.
    Then there's nothing left to fight for. They want to get married, and according to you they are. So that's it, pack up and go home, the issue is resolved.

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Then there's nothing left to fight for. They want to get married, and according to you they are. So that's it, pack up and go home, the issue is resolved.
    There is more to it and you know that. People buy ahouse together build it work on it and then one dies. In a heterosexual marriage the state recognizes a right for the surviving spouse.

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    There is more to it and you know that.
    That's why I ****ed with you

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    People buy ahouse together build it work on it and then one dies.
    The house now belongs to the surviving person on the deed. If there are no survivors on the deed, wills are pulled out. If the will doesn't resolve ownership, then we go to automatic inheritance.

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    In a heterosexual marriage the state recognizes a right for the surviving spouse.
    No, it doesn't. That's one of the many myths about marriage perpetuated by pro-gm to farm votes. It's simply not true.

    If the surviving spouse's name is not on the deed, they have no claim to it, hetero marriage or otherwise.

    Marriage doesn't even enter into the discussion, as even business partners who would never dream of marrying each-other can buy a house together and the same would be true.

    If a gay couple bought the hose together (which means both names are on the deed), the survivor still owns the house when the other dies. There is nothing about that person's death with reverses the transaction.

    If one person's name is on the deed and the other is not, but the will leaves the house to the gay partner, that's who it now belongs to.

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    The typical example pro-gm uses is where only one of the gay couple's names is on the deed, dies, his family wants to claim the house, and the survivor doesn't have a leg to stand on because his name is not on the deed nor is there a will.
    Last edited by Jerry; 10-19-09 at 07:45 PM.

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The typical example pro-gm uses is where only one of the gay couple's names is on the deed, dies, his family wants to claim the house, and the survivor doesn't have a leg to stand on because his name is not on the deed nor is there a will.
    This is the pro gay marraige stance I don't buy into. Put your spouse on the deed. If you want your homosexual spouse to be ale to call the shots at the hospital grant them power of attorney.

    The non recognized married couples (both hetero and hom) that run into problems is when they rely on the hope that the state will interpret their obvious love for each other as a binding legal contrat and FAIL to take the necessary steps to make sure their spouses are legally recognized to make decisions and/or claim ownership with the proper contracts/will/power of attorney/etc.

    I fully support gay marriage. I don't support laziness and incompetence.
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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's why I ****ed with you



    The house now belongs to the surviving person on the deed. If there are no survivors on the deed, wills are pulled out. If the will doesn't resolve ownership, then we go to automatic inheritance.



    No, it doesn't. That's one of the many myths about marriage perpetuated by pro-gm to farm votes. It's simply not true.

    If the surviving spouse's name is not on the deed, they have no claim to it, hetero marriage or otherwise.

    Marriage doesn't even enter into the discussion, as even business partners who would never dream of marrying each-other can buy a house together and the same would be true.

    If a gay couple bought the hose together (which means both names are on the deed), the survivor still owns the house when the other dies. There is nothing about that person's death with reverses the transaction.

    If one person's name is on the deed and the other is not, but the will leaves the house to the gay partner, that's who it now belongs to.

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    The typical example pro-gm uses is where only one of the gay couple's names is on the deed, dies, his family wants to claim the house, and the survivor doesn't have a leg to stand on because his name is not on the deed nor is there a will.
    I was talking about dead not divorce.

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I was talking about dead not divorce.
    There should be a will. I'm 28 and I have a will.

    Maybe it's the businessman in me but I leave nothing to assumptions. If it's not written down and agreed upon it doesn't exist.
    Last edited by Gibberish; 10-19-09 at 08:43 PM.
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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    There should be a will. I'm 28 and I have a will.

    Maybe it's the businessman in me but I leave nothing to assumptions. If it's not written down and agreed upon it doesn't exist.
    Marriage does bestow certain rights that a will well not. Being legally related means that a spouse can inherit the family house tax free. In the 6 figure range this can mean a lot to people of the age that are not applicable for employment anymore.

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I was talking about dead not divorce.
    So was I.

    In divorce one spouse can demand 1/2 of the value of the house.

    The same does not apply with death.

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