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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I see you recognize that you cannot defend your position.
    You are coming up with a position that will never exist in this life time and most likely no one elses. The state will always recognize marriage for the foreseeable future and with good reason.

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    You are coming up with a position that will never exist in this life time and most likely no one elses.
    Irrelevant to the issue.

    The fact that marriage wuld no longer exist if the states repealed their marriage laws proves that the legal institution of marriage is a creature of the state, and that marriage then MUST be a state-specified privilege, as states do not -- indeed can not -- grant rights.

    Disagree? Then address my questions

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Irrelevant to the issue.

    The fact that marriage wuld no longer exist if the states repealed their marriage laws proves that the legal institution of marriage is a creature of the state, and that marriage then MUST be a state-specified privilege, as states do not -- indeed can not -- grant rights.

    Disagree? Then address my questions
    Okay fine make your own private world. See if I or anyone else cares. In the mean time I will stick with reality.

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Obviously, the state did this in the interest oif codifying the various aspects of the property rights involved, as is necessary.

    What happens to that if the state divorces itself from marriage? How are those property rights then handled?
    All that is separate contract. What happens is basically some contact becomes codified into marriage and are either hard to obtain and file outside of marriage or impossible. Those contracts should be explicitly made separate from the institution of marriage. Otherwise, there is no legitimate reason to deny same-sex marriage.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I do not have the foggiest idea other than peoples get suppressed for what ever reason.
    For whatever reason, sure. I mean history is full of examples of people being held down. But if SCOTUS already ruled that marriage is a right, then it's over. It's like abortion, SCOTUS ruled that one ok; the States cannot forbid it. If SCOTUS ruled marriage a right for real, then the States could not forbid same sex marriage. But the States can deny it and the SCOTUS isn't getting all up in arms over it. So obviously, they haven't said it's a full out right.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    All that is separate contract. What happens is basically some contact becomes codified into marriage and are either hard to obtain and file outside of marriage or impossible. Those contracts should be explicitly made separate from the institution of marriage. Otherwise, there is no legitimate reason to deny same-sex marriage.
    Id like to see the State forbidden from using the word "marriage" and leave it to religion, culture to denote it. I do think if the were to do that civil unions should have all the rights with the contract of marriage.

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    For whatever reason, sure. I mean history is full of examples of people being held down. But if SCOTUS already ruled that marriage is a right, then it's over. It's like abortion, SCOTUS ruled that one ok; the States cannot forbid it. If SCOTUS ruled marriage a right for real, then the States could not forbid same sex marriage. But the States can deny it and the SCOTUS isn't getting all up in arms over it. So obviously, they haven't said it's a full out right.
    I the case of abortion it is a full right to privacy.

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Id like to see the State forbidden from using the word "marriage" and leave it to religion, culture to denote it. I do think if the were to do that civil unions should have all the rights with the contract of marriage.
    You'd have to get rid of the marriage license. I'm not opposed to that. The contracts which come with marriage can and should be offered separately. Anyone should be able to detail any part of their estate/papers/etc and be able to specify (including that which would eventually allow hospital visitation, estate control, etc) every aspect of their life and property. If there is no marriage license, marriage is returned fully to the Church. Everything that marriage does can be handled through separate contract. And if those contracts need dissolving...we have a court system for that.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I the case of abortion it is a full right to privacy.
    In contention to Right to Life.

    The government isn't necessarily interested in protecting privacy rights. But the point is the same. If SCOTUS really ruled marriage is a right, then the States cannot prohibit same sex couples from engaging in it.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    In contention to Right to Life.

    The government isn't necessarily interested in protecting privacy rights. But the point is the same. If SCOTUS really ruled marriage is a right, then the States cannot prohibit same sex couples from engaging in it.
    Loving vs. Virginia did determine marriage was a right of man

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