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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Fine challenge the SCOTUS on this one
    SCOTUS hasn't ruled anything about the universal "right" of marriage. You seem to not understand the fundamentals of this argument and of the Republic. Maybe you'll compose an actual argument instead of just posting blurbs, but until you actually debate what you write is worthless tripe.

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Not always.
    Who did the founders ask permission from to be married?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caedon View Post
    Then what would be the basis of your objection? "Hey I don't like this!" doesn't really hold water in court.
    If we have laws against racial discrimination then that is what I would base my legal objection on. Other than that I would petition to change the law.
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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I did before women had the right to vote they were treated as chattel legally. The property of their husbands.
    Right, see, I don't see what the 19th has to do with the history of marriage at all.

    Try writing more words, I might pick up on your message.

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I did before women had the right to vote they were treated as chattel legally. The property of their husbands.

    The 19th didnt give women the right to vote, and women having the right to vote did not 'free' them from beng chattle.

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Again it is not in the constitution it doesn't matter if a simple majority of judges say it is or isn't right. It doesn't change what the constitution says.
    14th amendment and the FCC clause. Good luck on fighting that unless you can get some activist right wing judges in there.

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    OK so... what happens to the 'right' if all the states repeal their marriage laws?
    I already told you. I don't see why you're having difficulties with this. The right is in contract. If the contract is removed from the practice, it returns to a solely religious practice. I've said it multiple times already. The right isn't inherently marriage. Marriage as known today has become right because contract has been mixed into it. The contract is a right, people should be free to enter into the collective contracts involved in marriage without being married.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I already told you. I don't see why you're having difficulties with this. The right is in contract. If the contract is removed from the practice, it returns to a solely religious practice. I've said it multiple times already. The right isn't inherently marriage. Marriage as known today has become right because contract has been mixed into it. The contract is a right, people should be free to enter into the collective contracts involved in marriage without being married.
    While I do understand what you're saying...

    Seems that if you have something because the state gave it to you, you were granted a privilege, as the state cannot grant rights.

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    14th amendment and the FCC clause. Good luck on fighting that unless you can get some activist right wing judges in there.
    How do either apply if all the states repeal their marriage laws?

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    SCOTUS hasn't ruled anything about the universal "right" of marriage. You seem to not understand the fundamentals of this argument and of the Republic. Maybe you'll compose an actual argument instead of just posting blurbs, but until you actually debate what you write is worthless tripe.
    Okay fine what does does it mean that all men are created equal?

    The SCOTUS has ruled on marriage and it is a right. You want to fight the ruling go to the SCOTUS.

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    How do either apply if all the states repeal their marriage laws?
    Good luck on that argument in some fantasy world.

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