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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    SCOTUS disagrees with you
    SCOTUS isn't the end all say all in this country. Marriage is not a fundamental right, contract is. It seems more likely that you've picked out a few sentences to run your mouth without reading anything else.

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    SCOTUS has already ruled that marriage is a right.
    Again it is not in the constitution it doesn't matter if a simple majority of judges say it is or isn't right. It doesn't change what the constitution says.
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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Source please?
    The 19th Amendment to US Constitution.

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Just for the record, most anti-gm agree that marriage is a right. James is in the minority on that opinion.

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Are you arguing that state cannot repeal their marriage laws?
    And/or that doing so woudl have no effect on the institution of marriage?
    Nope, I was talking to the base of the argument. Because we're confusing terms in the argument. Marriage in and of itself is not a fundamental right. A Church doesn't have to marry people. But marriage was usurped by government, and in doing so the government turned marriage into a contract. Now contract is a fundamental right of the People. So we should be careful what we're saying. The current institution of marriage, being composed of government issued and recognized contract, is a right. If you remove the contract from religion, it returns to being just a religious passage, not a fundamental right.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    The 19th Amendment to US Constitution.
    No no, I was inviting you to form an argument and post it here.

    I can go look at the 19th and still not know what you point was because you leave me to figure out what you're thinking.

    I have no such superpowers, you'll have to tell me yourself if you want me to know.
    Last edited by Jerry; 10-19-09 at 05:29 PM.

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    SCOTUS isn't the end all say all in this country. Marriage is not a fundamental right, contract is. It seems more likely that you've picked out a few sentences to run your mouth without reading anything else.
    Fine challenge the SCOTUS on this one



    Handled through religious ceremony.
    Not always.

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Okay fine live in a fantasy world.
    I'm sorry -- I asked you two questions that directly address your continued statements that marriage is a right.

    Not sure how that indicates that I am living in a fantasy world -- more likely, its an indication of you knowing where the conversation is heading and that you cannot defend your statement once it gets there.

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    No no, I was inviting you to form an argument and post it here.
    I did before women had the right to vote they were treated as chattel legally. The property of their husbands.

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Nope, I was talking to the base of the argument. Because we're confusing terms in the argument. Marriage in and of itself is not a fundamental right. A Church doesn't have to marry people. But marriage was usurped by government, and in doing so the government turned marriage into a contract. Now contract is a fundamental right of the People. So we should be careful what we're saying. The current institution of marriage, being composed of government issued and recognized contract, is a right. If you remove the contract from religion, it returns to being just a religious passage, not a fundamental right.
    OK so... what happens to the 'right' if all the states repeal their marriage laws?

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