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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The 14th amendment protects privileges though.
    The question at hand:

    Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    From your response, I take it you agree with my argument that it is not.

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    That's totally incorrect. The SCOTUS decision explicity declares that it violates the 14th:

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    From your quote:

    To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes....
    It's almost like I've read the ruling a thousand times before

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Perhaps what you're thinking of is that the courts do need to decide whether a particular class is protected or not. So, if there are legitimate interests of society that are served by discriminating on the basis of something, they do weigh that in when deciding whether to make it a protected class. So, theoretically, they could rule that sexual orientation is not a protected class. Maybe they could even do that because of the stuff about procreation or something. Or, they could rule that homophobia is just as ludicrouse as racism and rule that it is a protected class. If they decide that it is a protected class, the game is over and from that point forward no laws treating gays or homosexual relationships differently than they treat heterosexuals or heterosexual relationships will be legal.
    The reason you shouldn't rest on the 'protected class' argument is that current federally protected classes can not marry either, such as familial relation.

    Being a federally protected class does not mean you get to marry.

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The reason you shouldn't rest on the 'protected class' argument is that current federally protected classes can not marry either, such as familial relation.

    Being a federally protected class does not mean you get to marry.
    I don't follow. Family relation is not a protected class.

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I don't follow. Family relation is not a protected class.
    It sure is. Why do you think we keep bringing up incest? Do you think we're just stupid?

    Here's a quick link: [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_class[/ame]
    Last edited by Jerry; 10-19-09 at 01:31 PM.

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    The question at hand:

    Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    From your response, I take it you agree with my argument that it is not.
    Is Right to Contract a "Constitutional" right?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Yeah, in your wet dreams.
    In your wet dreams does the Duke wear a shirt? And how big is his gun?

    Sorry, buddy, Raymond Burr for sure. The others are just rumors. (well, James Dean, not so much a rumor as a secret we all just go along with)

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yeah, read that page. It says "Familial status- Housing, cannot discriminate for having children, exception for senior housing"

    So, that's not family relation, and it only applies for housing and whether you have children or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Why do you think we keep bringing up incest? Do you think we're just stupid?
    Honestly, it seems to me that the right keeps bringing up incest and pedophilia and all that because they're trying to paint homosexuality as being a slippery slope towards those totally unrelated things... It's like arguing "if we let the blacks into the schools, what's next? will we need to let the dogs in too?" No offense, and I'm sure you don't mean it this way, but it's just a way to hype of bigotry against gays.
    Last edited by teamosil; 10-19-09 at 01:36 PM.

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Honestly, it seems to me that the right keeps bringing up incest and pedophilia and all that because they're trying to paint homosexuality as being a slippery slope towards those totally unrelated things... It's like arguing "if we let the blacks into the schools, what's next? will we need to let the dogs in too?" No offense, and I'm sure you don't mean it this way, but it's just a way to hype of bigotry against gays.
    You'll change your mind the first time you see pro-gm support incest, poligamy, etc, in a DP thread.

    Pro-gm has argued against me in support of those things, that's why I bring them up.

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    Last edited by Jerry; 10-19-09 at 02:36 PM.

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You'll change your mind the first time you see pro-gm support incest, poligamy, etc, in a DP thread.

    Pro-gm has argued against me in support of those things, that's why I bring them up.
    Polygamy, yeah, I could see the Democrats supporting that. That may well be up next after sexual orientation. Basically, IMO, the government needs a compelling reason if they're going to tell people who they can marry and at least so far nobody has shown me any reason at all that the government should oppose polygamy.

    As for incest, I do seem to recall somebody saying they're ok with incest... Let me search... Ah yes, here it is:

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I would even support incest for this reason.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    As a rule of thumb, unless it's clear that you're dealing with a raging lunatic, anytime you think someone is just bigoted that's a clear sign that you simply don't understand their argument.
    I totally disagree. I think all of us carry around at least some prejudices and I think that even those people who don't will sometimes take a position that is bigotry without realizing that's what they're doing.

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    As for incest, I do seem to recall somebody saying they're ok with incest... Let me search... Ah yes, here it is:
    I don't appreciate you're quoting me out of context. It demonstrates your inability to debate intelligently.

    I have never said that I would support incest for the sake of equality, and I challenge you to find a quote on mine to the contrary.

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I totally disagree. I think all of us carry around at least some prejudices and I think that even those people who don't will sometimes take a position that is bigotry without realizing that's what they're doing.
    Your post was directed to me and I am not "some people".

    If you want to continue deliberately misrepresenting my argument and insisting that I must be a bigot then this conversation is over.

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