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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    I voted other because I don't believe marriage is the place of the government to regulate. I have no problem with the government being involved with civil unions and do believe that the 14th precludes discrimination based on the genders involved. Marriage, on the other hand, is something that I think should be solely between the individual church/temple and the persons to be married. It shouldn't carry any tax benefits - only civil unions should.

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yes.

    There is no obvious reason to assume children will result from the union, so there is no compelling interest in violating the gay couple's right to privacy.

    It's rather quite noble for the state to recuse itself from relationships it has no business melding in.
    Ok, but I was simply restating the question so that some people would see fit to actually debate rather than just mope about how liberals only talk about constitutional rights.

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Am I correct that your argument is that housing grants targetting minorities violate equal protection, therefore we shouldn't apply equal protection in the case of gay marriage either?
    No. I'm saying both institutions should be struck down as unconstitutional, but if gay marriage proponents are going to ignore things like minority grants or affirmative action then they have no credibility in my mind.

    If so, that logic is flawed. If we are violating the constitution in one case, that doesn't mean we should just throw away the whole thing, it means we should aim to correct the case where we are violating it.
    Then you should be advocating the abolition of state-sanctioned marriage instead trying to alter its legal definition.

    But, what minority housing grants are you referring to? I'm not aware of any government program that gives housing grants on the basis of race. Can you name the specific program or provide a link to a governmental site detailing it?
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    Enter "minority" into the search bar.
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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Just enter it in the query box? Doing that got me 40 hits. Most of them have the word 'minority' somewhere in the text though. Like grants available to universities to produce a study on the differential levels of health care in minority communities and whatnot. I'm sure that there is some grant somewhere in government that is only available to minority applicants though. It certainly isn't common, but yeah, I'm sure something like that exists.

    That said, we'd need to analyze a specific case before we could determine whether it might violate equal protection. We'd need to show, not that it was helping somebody on the basis of race, which is perfectly constitutional, but that somebody was being denied equal protection of the law based on race. Generally speaking, it's hard for me to imagine a significant government program exists that clearly violates equal protection which hasn't been challenged in court yet. At least not one that's existed for long. If you have a particular example you'd like to talk through, I'd be happy to.

    But, regardless, this isn't really relevant. Sounds like we both agree that bans on gay marriage are unconstitutional, right?

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    Re: Is Gay Marriage a Constitutional Right in the U.S.?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Just enter it in the query box? Doing that got me 40 hits. Most of them have the word 'minority' somewhere in the text though. Like grants available to universities to produce a study on the differential levels of health care in minority communities and whatnot. I'm sure that there is some grant somewhere in government that is only available to minority applicants though. It certainly isn't common, but yeah, I'm sure something like that exists.

    That said, we'd need to analyze a specific case before we could determine whether it might violate equal protection. We'd need to show, not that it was helping somebody on the basis of race, which is perfectly constitutional, but that somebody was being denied equal protection of the law based on race. Generally speaking, it's hard for me to imagine a significant government program exists that clearly violates equal protection which hasn't been challenged in court yet. At least not one that's existed for long. If you have a particular example you'd like to talk through, I'd be happy to.
    If the government offers a grant or tax credits or money or any financial aid on the basis of race, relationship type, age, etc. it is inherently discriminatory. The following grant is only available to students at "minority serving institutions", which means I could never apply for it; the reason being my race.

    Grants.gov - Find Grant Opportunities - Opportunity Synopsis

    To me it seems a clear violation of "equal protection" under the law, as do state-sanctioned marriages.

    But, regardless, this isn't really relevant. Sounds like we both agree that bans on gay marriage are unconstitutional, right?
    No, as I do not believe state-sanctioned marriages to be constitutional. Personally, I don't much care if there is gay marriage or not. It wouldn't bother me but I do not see it as a right.

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