See poll, meant to add poll
He was a great president with the courage to fight for freedom and democracy!
He did his best in the face of adverse circumstances
He was mediocre
He was below average in every way
He should be tried and prosecuted for war crimes
He is evil personified!
See poll, meant to add poll
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A couple of coworkers said they still love Bush. The question here:
How do you currently feel about Bush?
I do not like or dislike Bush. He did a lot of things that didn't piss me off and he did a lot of things that did piss me off just as Obama has done some things to piss me off and some thing that didn't piss me off.
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"
Cicero Marcus Tullius
I like him better now that he's not in the WH, and particularly since his people are no longer in the WH, Justice Dept, etc etc etc
I forgot to add the poll. See my other thread.
The longer Obama is in office, the better Bush is looking. But I still dislike Bush very much. I just wish we'd improve our Presidents, not dig a deeper hole.
You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo
Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
I really like Bush a lot. His major flaw was that he wasn't enough of an orator to inspire across the political spectrum. Therefore, there were a lot of political forces arrayed against him and his policy. The policy I liked the most was the war in Iraq.
My speculation is that the Bush Administration knew exactly what they were doing from the get go in the Iraq war. All of the turmoil immediately after the invasion was planned. The activities of General Jay Garner, followed by Paul Bremer were part of the plan. This includes things like disbanding the Iraqi Army so that the power structure of Sunnis in Iraq was broken irrepairably. This empowered the Shia so that their power base could be dominant and enable Sistani's school of political theory. It possibly goes so far as to anticipate the insurgency.
As far as the objectives of the war in Iraq go, there are short-term and long-term objectives. One short-term objective is that it forced Saudi Arabia to deal with the growing Jihadist threat within that country and they did indeed deal with it. I think the number one long-term objective was to build a weapon and deploy it in the region. That weapon is a democratic Iraq and the primary target is Iran.
There is a dysfunctional democracy in Lebanon. Turkey has a democracy. And of course Israel. There are no other democratic examples. The primary target of a democratic Iraq is Iran. We can see the effects starting to cause trouble within that country. The recent clashes between A-nejad and the moderates hid a more important clash, which was between various groups of clerics.
There are two schools of political theory in the Twelver sect of Shia Islam. The Twelver sect is the dominant sect in Iraq and Iran (and other countries in the Gulf). One of these political schools is in power in Iran and is the Khomenist School. This school believes that the government is run by the clerics and so the clerics have executive power in Iran. The other school is the Quietist School headed by Ali Sistani of Iraq. This school thinks that the jurisprudence of a government should be run by the Clerics, or at least that the Quran is a leading text of jurisprudence, but that the executive is a secular function.
Since the invasion and introduction of democracy in a Quietist fashion in Iraq, there has been a lot of clerical travels between Najaf, Iraq and Qom, Iran. Qom is the spiritual center of Iran. The Quietist school has been gaining significant ground against the Khomenist School in Qom and the real struggle in Iran is between groups of clerics over who will run the government.
This is a non-trivial result of the invasion of Iraq, and it's true long-term objective. I believe it was the primary objective.
He came to my wedding. He's a great guy.
Any time he wants to hang at my place, he's more than welcome.