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  • He was a great president with the courage to fight for freedom and democracy!

    12 13.19%
  • He did his best in the face of adverse circumstances

    11 12.09%
  • He was mediocre

    18 19.78%
  • He was below average in every way

    21 23.08%
  • He should be tried and prosecuted for war crimes

    27 29.67%
  • He is evil personified!

    2 2.20%
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Thread: Who still likes Bush?

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    Re: Who still likes Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I suggest that it is pointless to let this thread turn into yet another waterboarding topic. There is plenty of evidence to make a case for wtareboarding being an internationally accepted form of torture depending on the specifics of how it is done....& since no one on this forum was present at any waterboardings, we have no way of verifying or disclaiming any such facts.
    My belief is that new evidence will be coming out, while Obama is still in office...that will conclusively prove that some U.S. prisoners were tortured so aggressively that it led to their deaths. (most probably by CIA contractors...not agents)
    If & when such info is uncovered & released (most probably by Sen. Feinstein's Senate committee) the point will no longer be debatable & a war crimes trial will then be the obvious remedy.

    Until such time, all we can accomplish here is just more speculation.


    Geneva conventions are not the only law/treaty violations a war criminal can be prosecuted for & the murder of a prisoner ca not be justified or excused by any civilized society. (I don't care if we charge Bush & Cheney with conspiracy to commit murder....They committed crime & need to be held accountable...........unless we charge Lyndie English again...as the mastermind like we did with Abu Gareb)
    I am simply going off of the availible evidence. Was more doen, maybe, but all your side has now is speculation

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    Re: Who still likes Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    I am simply going off of the availible evidence. Was more doen, maybe, but all your side has now is speculation
    Evidence?....At this point not conclusive
    Speculation?.....far stronger than mere speulation.

    A Reporter at Large: A Deadly Interrogation : The New Yorker
    this is just one article..Any simple Google search will provide many more leads.

    The fact that no hard evidence has arisen to this point does not preclude its existence. Many people have good reason for trying to keep a lid on it.
    Does anyone here really doubt that some very sinister activities were carried out by the Bush Administration? (Even with good intentions, crimes are still crimes)
    Last edited by Devil505; 10-17-09 at 02:53 PM.

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    Re: Who still likes Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Evidence?....At this point not conclusive
    Speculation?.....far stronger than mere speulation.

    A Reporter at Large: A Deadly Interrogation : The New Yorker
    this is just one article..Any simple Google search will provide many more leads.

    The fact that no hard evidence has arisen to this point does not preclude its existence. Many people have good reason for trying to keep a lid on it.
    Does anyone here really doubt that some very sinister activities were carried out by the Bush Administration? (Even with good intentions, crimes are still crimes)
    Your link doesn't work. Even ignoring the points made about the Geneva Convention, if it cannot be conclusively shown that a crime has been commited, then one can't assume that it has occured

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    Re: Who still likes Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Your link doesn't work. Even ignoring the points made about the Geneva Convention, if it cannot be conclusively shown that a crime has been commited, then one can't assume that it has occured
    I think the evidence..... as it stands right now is enough to prove a crime was committed. Further evidence is what would solidify the gravity of the crimes & the need for prosecution. (to prove a crime I mean simply convincing a jury that a crime has been committed.....& who committed it.(which is all our legal system ever needs to do)

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    Re: Who still likes Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I think the evidence..... as it stands right now is enough to prove a crime was committed. Further evidence is what would solidify the gravity of the crimes & the need for prosecution. (to prove a crime I mean simply convincing a jury that a crime has been committed.....& who committed it.(which is all our legal system ever needs to do)
    There was already widespread abuse at Abu Ghraib at this time. Evidence that his homocide was sanctioned by the Administration isn't conclusive.

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    Re: Who still likes Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Does anyone here really doubt that some very sinister activities were carried out by the Bush Administration? (Even with good intentions, crimes are still crimes)
    Let me reword your sentence that prevents me from being in the negative position.

    "Does anyone here believe the Bush Administration acted honorable and did not carry out sinister activities."

    Answer: Yes.

    They defined torture in a very narrow manner. The CIA followed that definition.

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    Re: Who still likes Bush?

    Why is "he did his best" an option? That doesn't state how well you think he did...

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    Re: Who still likes Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    Why is "he did his best" an option? That doesn't state how well you think he did...
    It's a non-committal charitable response that apparently expressed the feelings of several people.

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    Re: Who here still likes George W Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Just heading out but I'll repeat this little logical syllogism for you since you're new:




    Wateboarding is a war crime for which others have been tried...even by the U.S.

    Bush & Cheney admitted to authorizing waterboarding of prisoners


    THEREFORE....GW Bush & Dick Cheney are war criminals.
    Only thing missing is sentencing if they formally enter guilty pleas....... or a trial if they change & decide to try to deny it.
    (this is something that Cheney can't get another deferment of & GW can't get his daddy to help him run away from)
    you ought to go up and try to arrest one of them

    We will laugh when we read about what the Secret Service guys did to you



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    Re: Who still likes Bush?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I think the evidence..... as it stands right now is enough to prove a crime was committed. Further evidence is what would solidify the gravity of the crimes & the need for prosecution. (to prove a crime I mean simply convincing a jury that a crime has been committed.....& who committed it.(which is all our legal system ever needs to do)
    what causes this level of stage four BDS?

    seriously?



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