He was a great president with the courage to fight for freedom and democracy!
He did his best in the face of adverse circumstances
He was mediocre
He was below average in every way
He should be tried and prosecuted for war crimes
He is evil personified!
Wateboarding is a war crime for which others have been tried...even by the U.S.
Bush & Cheney admitted to authorizing waterboarding of prisoners
THEREFORE....GW Bush & Dick Cheney are war criminals. Only thing missing is sentencing if they formally enter guilty pleas....... or a trial if they change & decide to try to deny it.
(this is something that Cheney can't get another deferment of & GW can't get his daddy to help him run away from)
Last edited by Devil505; 10-17-09 at 10:14 AM.
Bush and Cheney pleaded guilty to waterboarding three terror suspects.
At one point in time, I really really liked "W". His character, his politics and even the way he said Nuclear (Texan!).
However, right after he passed "McCain/Fiendgold" and said something to the effect that he expects the Supreme court to overturn it as it should be against the constitution - scared me. WTF was he doing signing anything that would be unconstitutional in his eyes? That was in 2002.
Then, the 2004 "options" were lessor evils and I felt I had no choice but to vote for W. Oh, I know there are alternatives now...but that is different story.
I do believe that he should be punished for war crimes. Obama is starting off on the same track.
IMO Bush is ranked right above Roosevelt for being the worst President for our economy and laws against our constitution.
If you analyse it, I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. -Ronald Reagan
I am also known as "vauge".
Waterboarding may cross the line of torture in some instances. During WWII the Japanese would force water do the throat of the prisoner in very painful process, and jump on the stomach repeatedly to force the water out so they could repeat the process several more times. Many American POWs died from the extremely painful process. There isn't evidence, as far as I'm aware of, that this method was ever used by the US on terror suspects. They put a damp rag on their face, and poured water so that the prisoner couldn't breath 20-30 seconds. A medical professional is present. Special forces recruits go through the same thing. I admit that I have never experienced this, and I probably do not want to. It may cross the line by a bit, but it's not exactly the thumb screws
It's all a moot point. The Geneva Conventions are explicit as to what considers an armed, military, force. Uniforms, ranks et al. It takes two to tango, to put it succinctly, and since the Taliban do not even hit one of those requirements they don't fall under those Conventions.
Further yet, it is common practice to allow the execution of spies or non-uniformed saboteurs, of which the Taliban do fill the requirements. Having them merely water boarded, is no problem at all.
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I suggest that it is pointless to let this thread turn into yet another waterboarding topic. There is plenty of evidence to make a case for wtareboarding being an internationally accepted form of torture depending on the specifics of how it is done....& since no one on this forum was present at any waterboardings, we have no way of verifying or disclaiming any such facts.
My belief is that new evidence will be coming out, while Obama is still in office...that will conclusively prove that some U.S. prisoners were tortured so aggressively that it led to their deaths. (most probably by CIA contractors...not agents)
If & when such info is uncovered & released (most probably by Sen. Feinstein's Senate committee) the point will no longer be debatable & a war crimes trial will then be the obvious remedy.
Until such time, all we can accomplish here is just more speculation.
Geneva conventions are not the only law/treaty violations a war criminal can be prosecuted for & the murder of a prisoner ca not be justified or excused by any civilized society. (I don't care if we charge Bush & Cheney with conspiracy to commit murder....They committed crime & need to be held accountable...........unless we charge Lyndie English again...as the mastermind like we did with Abu Gareb)
Last edited by Devil505; 10-17-09 at 11:44 AM.