View Poll Results: Does the original intent still matter when discussing the Constitution?

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  • Yes. We should strictly follow both the letter and spirit of the original intent.

    28 35.90%
  • Yes. We should follow the original principles and then apply them as new issues arise.

    21 26.92%
  • Yes. The original intent of the Constition is important, but other factors must be considered.

    15 19.23%
  • No. The Constitution is a guiding set of principles that we can interrpret to fit our current needs.

    10 12.82%
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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    That would be the group of people that wrote the Constitution.

    Philadelphia Convention - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Whats your thoughts on Jefferson's argument about rewriting the constitution.
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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Very few of them. Certainly not the ones you espouse. At any rate, the subject of this thread is the Constitution - not the economy - which makes your Ayn Rand turds completely irrelevant as usual.
    Why do you keep mentioning Ayn Rand? I'm not married to her you know. Sure, she was a great influence, but I'm more in the Murray Rothbard / Patri Friedman camp philosophically, and the last politician I supported was Ron Paul. Now there's the greatest champion the U.S. Constitution has had in 100 years!


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    And those would be?
    Thou shalt not kill. Thou shalt not steal. Etc.


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    I do find Das Kapital interesting and profitiable.
    Das Kapital is actually gibberish. People only pretend to understand it.
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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    No, he doesn't count, he didn't write the constitution, remember?
    I like Thomas Jefferson. I agree with a lot of what he says. I like the theory of everything expiring in 20 years. Though in my previous post, I put the difficulties of doing so. But the reason behind wanting to do it is sound. It just means we have to be further vigilant.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I like Thomas Jefferson. I agree with a lot of what he says. I like the theory of everything expiring in 20 years. Though in my previous post, I put the difficulties of doing so. But the reason behind wanting to do it is sound. It just means we have to be further vigilant.
    I think every two generations or so makes more sense, but I'm a strong believer in generational theories.
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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Whats your thoughts on Jefferson's argument about rewriting the constitution.
    Were you going to address my position on the topic or go off on a tangent?

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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Were you going to address my position on the topic or go off on a tangent?
    That his opinion doesn't matter because he wasn't in Philidelphia? Sure, but I ask that you answer mine. I think limiting our framework to what a few people decided a few hundred years ago is limiting, and gives us no room to change with new technology. I also posit that they didn't all always agree on what things meant.
    The Makeout Hobo is real, and does indeed travel around the country in his van and make out with ladies... If you meet the Makeout Hobo, it is customary to greet him with a shot of whiskey and a high five (if you are a dude) or passionate makeouts (if you are a lady).

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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    Das Kapital is actually gibberish. People only pretend to understand it.
    Well maybe it is a problem for you but I can understand the idea of buy low sell high from a capitial POV like Marx described in Das Kapital.

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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    That his opinion doesn't matter because he wasn't in Philidelphia? Sure, but I ask that you answer mine. I think limiting our framework to what a few people decided a few hundred years ago is limiting, and gives us no room to change with new technology. I also posit that they didn't all always agree on what things meant.
    But we do have the means to change with new technology.... the amendment process.... we can change the Constitution if there is enough reason and support to do so.

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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    That his opinion doesn't matter because he wasn't in Philidelphia?
    No... the position that I re-posted for you, my positon on the topic:

    The people that wrote the constitution wrote what they wrote for good reason. As such, their intent matters considerably as their the logic and reasoning is the basis for the structure of the document and the context for everything in it.

    If you dont like what they wrote and why they wrote it, or if you think someting in it doesnt 'work' today, then change it.

    Were you going to address my position on the topic or go off on a tangent?

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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Whats your thoughts on Jefferson's argument about rewriting the constitution.
    A new constitutional convention is an option, but it hasn't happened because apparently it has never been a necessity.

    Jefferson often used dramatic language, and he may have even believed sincerely in what he wrote at that time (in 1789), but he did not actually move to replace the constitution 19 years after it's ratification, did he? Nope, he was the president of the united states at that time. I'd say that counts as a stamp of approval.
    Last edited by other; 10-14-09 at 05:05 PM.

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