View Poll Results: Does the original intent still matter when discussing the Constitution?

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  • Yes. We should strictly follow both the letter and spirit of the original intent.

    28 35.90%
  • Yes. We should follow the original principles and then apply them as new issues arise.

    21 26.92%
  • Yes. The original intent of the Constition is important, but other factors must be considered.

    15 19.23%
  • No. The Constitution is a guiding set of principles that we can interrpret to fit our current needs.

    10 12.82%
  • Other

    4 5.13%
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Thread: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    So you think for everything even remotely constitution related, we should go off Madison alone?
    I believe my argument for original intent is quite clear.
    If you'd like to comment on it directly, be my guest.

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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So you want to open the can of worms on Thomas Jefferson's opinion on various things?
    No, he doesn't count, he didn't write the constitution, remember?
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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I believe my argument for original intent is quite clear.
    If you'd like to comment on it directly, be my guest.
    Please repost that argument
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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    [...] your personal political views are NOT entirely objective [...]
    No scientist is all-knowing, but some economic theories seem to hold true every single time they're tested.

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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    No scientist is all-knowing, but some economic theories seem to hold true every single time they're tested.
    Very few of them. Certainly not the ones you espouse. At any rate, the subject of this thread is the Constitution - not the economy - which makes your Ayn Rand turds completely irrelevant as usual.
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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Please repost that argument
    The people that wrote the constitution wrote what they wrote for good reason. As such, their intent matters considerably as their the logic and reasoning is the basis for the structure of the document and the context for everything in it.

    If you dont like what they wrote and why they wrote it, or if you think someting in it doesnt 'work' today, then change it.

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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    No scientist is all-knowing, but some economic theories seem to hold true every single time they're tested.
    And those would be? I do find Das Kapital interesting and profitiable.

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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    The people that wrote the constitution wrote what they wrote for good reason. As such, their intent matters considerably as their the logic and reasoning is the basis for the structure of the document and the context for everything in it.

    If you dont like what they wrote and why they wrote it, or if you think someting in it doesnt 'work' today, then change it.
    Who would you consider "the people who wrote the constitution"
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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Who would you consider "the people who wrote the constitution"
    That would be the group of people that wrote the Constitution.

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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    You completely ignored where I wrote that it's too difficult to change the constitution, because the Founding Fathers were writing for 13 states, not 50. And they didn't have a 24/7 news cycle either.



    That's ridiculous. If you'd actually READ the constitution, you'd see that the amendment process is not as easy as you make it sound. The Constitution has only been amended 17 times since the Bill of Rights. Surely there have been more than 17 good ideas in the 200+ years since then.


    To illustrate this point, let me ask you this: Suppose that we had a constitution that mandated that to amend the Constitution, you had to have unanimous support in both houses of Congress, unanimous support in every state legislature, and the signatures of the President and every governor. Surely you would agree that such a process was too difficult, and therefore an originalist intent would be impractical?


    Originalist interpretations of constitutions work much better in states and countries where the Constitution is relatively easy to amend. The US has one of the hardest amendment processes in the world, and therefore is one of the countries LEAST suited to an originalist interpretation.
    Has it escaped your notice that the US is also the freest country in the world and has the best standard of living? I wonder if the two go hand in hand.

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