View Poll Results: Does the original intent still matter when discussing the Constitution?

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  • Yes. We should strictly follow both the letter and spirit of the original intent.

    28 35.90%
  • Yes. We should follow the original principles and then apply them as new issues arise.

    21 26.92%
  • Yes. The original intent of the Constition is important, but other factors must be considered.

    15 19.23%
  • No. The Constitution is a guiding set of principles that we can interrpret to fit our current needs.

    10 12.82%
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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    What part of the Constitution did TJ write, and what was his vote on ratification?
    Whats the relevence here? He couldn't write or vote on it, he was in France.
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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    In other words, Thomas Jefferson would never support us still using the constitution we use today. What was that about what the founding fathers wanted?
    Aye, but the reason is for tighter control of the government. Preventing them from slowly corrupting the Constitution they are under and the laws they implement. However, in practice the omnibus legislation coming out of a system like that currently would put us further at risk to treason.

    It would be nice if we could expire these thing, wipe the government clear, and start over ever 20 years; but it's not practical. As such, it becomes more important that the original necessity and means of the government be remembered and adhered to as best as possible. To limit the corrupting force of the government itself, it would be necessary for a People keeping a Constitution longer than 20 years to pay attention and uphold original intent towards to government. Otherwise, the government would become overly bloated and treasonous against its own people.

    But if you want to throw out the government and start over every 20 years, I would entertain the argument.
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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    Ideally it shouldn't matter, because a society should ideally be governed by natural law, which is entirely objective
    Thank you for another John Galt rant that adds nothing whatsoever to the actual discussion. Don't flatter yourself; your personal political views are NOT entirely objective. Bye bye now.
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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Whats the relevence here? He couldn't write or vote on it, he was in France.
    Thank you for making my point.

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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Thank you for making my point.
    Why should Jefferson's opinion not matter? He may not have actually written the Constitution, but if we went off that, just about the only Founder's opinion that would matter would be Madison's. Jefferson was still one of the guiding lights of the Revolution, and I think it's disingenious not to give his opinion air just because he was in France at the time. Why don't you think it should count?
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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Huh? What does that have to do with anything I wrote?
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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Why should Jefferson's opinion not matter?
    Whatever his opinion may have been, it didnt make it into the Constitution.

    His -opinion- doesnt invalidate the argument for original intent.

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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Whatever his opinion may have been, it didnt make it into the Constitution.

    His -opinion- doesnt invalidate the argument for original intent.
    So you think for everything even remotely constitution related, we should go off Madison alone?
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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    ".... that one day the country would have 50 states and span a continent..."
    The Constitution was ratified in 1789. The Louisiana Purchase didn't happen until 1803.
    I'm really not even sure what point you're trying to make...
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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    From Revolution to Reconstruction: Presidents: Thomas Jefferson: Letters: THE EARTH BELONGS TO THE LIVING

    In other words, Thomas Jefferson would never support us still using the constitution we use today. What was that about what the founding fathers wanted?
    So you want to open the can of worms on Thomas Jefferson's opinion on various things?
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