View Poll Results: Does the original intent still matter when discussing the Constitution?

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  • Yes. We should strictly follow both the letter and spirit of the original intent.

    28 35.90%
  • Yes. We should follow the original principles and then apply them as new issues arise.

    21 26.92%
  • Yes. The original intent of the Constition is important, but other factors must be considered.

    15 19.23%
  • No. The Constitution is a guiding set of principles that we can interrpret to fit our current needs.

    10 12.82%
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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    It worked great until greedy life long politicians came into the picture.

    Leave the Constitution alone. I was made difficult to amend for a reason.
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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Yes, and though difficult to amend, it CAN BE AMENDED if it is truly necessary. We don't live in a static world, but neither did the people of the 18th century; it is foolish to think that they did not realize this.

    They provided a way to alter the document if necessary, and to interpret the constitution loose or without regard to the original intent is to render it worthless (or as oftencold mentioned, a tool for propagandists). This same standard applies to all contracts--why should one so important as the constitution be any different--especially considering the fact that it is designed to accomodate for changes where necessary?

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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    I voted no. Why? Because every person and their mother has a different version of the original intent of the Founders. Anyone that says that they know the original intent is BSing (unless they have a time machine behind them).

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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by other View Post
    Yes, and though difficult to amend, it CAN BE AMENDED if it is truly necessary. We don't live in a static world, but neither did the people of the 18th century; it is foolish to think that they did not realize this.

    They provided a way to alter the document if necessary, and to interpret the constitution loose or without regard to the original intent is to render it worthless (or as oftencold mentioned, a tool for propagandists). This same standard applies to all contracts--why should one so important as the constitution be any different--especially considering the fact that it is designed to accomodate for changes where necessary?
    I agree.

    If our politicians put as much energy into supporting and strengthening the Constitution as they do trying to circumvent it, imagine how strong the US it's people would be.
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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    I voted no. Why? Because every person and their mother has a different version of the original intent of the Founders. Anyone that says that they know the original intent is BSing (unless they have a time machine behind them).
    The original intent is right there for all to see.

    Start by actually reading the Constitution and not letting someone else interpret it for you.

    It has little to do with arogence or needing a time machine. A simple reading of the letters and comunications of the founders (yes we have many of them) will spell it out for even the weakest mind.

    The intent of the founders is easy to see. It is the people who want to change it that try and lie about basic tenants like the 2nd amendment for example. "A well regulated militia" is the people. As told by Benjamen Franklin, etc. And yet we still have idiots who say it means military only or some such nonsense.

    So no, only 1 correct version.
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    rolleyes Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Society has changed drastically since the 1700s, so I voted that other factors must also be considered. After all, the original intent was supportive of all sorts of practices (such as human slavery) that are now considered outrageous.
    OMG, let's drag out the ole slavery argument to trash the entire Constitution from A to Z. It also allows for you to vote for you representative, which I now regret and wish YOU couldn't. Let's all get stupid over this thread and drag it into the gutter, because liberals can't justify themselves without bringing blacks and slavery into it.

    The first President was a rich, white, masonic, slave owner, and Thomas Jefferson screwed a black woman. Ban that Constitution, ban it at once I say!!!!!!
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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    In another thread, I saw someone accuse libertarians of always holding up the oringial intent of the Constitution as something that should be followed, but we don't say why original intent is the proper way to view the Constitution. So I thought it would make a good poll and possibly a good discussion.
    The people that wrote the constitution wrote what they wrote for good reason. As such, their intent matters considerably as their the logic and reasoning is the basis for the structure of the document and the context for everything in it.

    If you dont like what they wrote and why they wrote it, or if you think someting in it doesnt 'work' today, then change it.

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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Society has changed drastically since the 1700s, so I voted that other factors must also be considered. After all, the original intent was supportive of all sorts of practices (such as human slavery) that are now considered outrageous.
    IIRC, this was rectified by the 13th amendment.

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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    The people that wrote the constitution wrote what they wrote for good reason. As such, their intent matters considerably as their the logic and reasoning is the basis for the structure of the document and the context for everything in it.
    The Founding Fathers were not all-knowing gods. They were human beings who wrote a document that worked for THEIR society. It's changed a bit in the 200+ years since then.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman
    If you dont like what they wrote and why they wrote it, or if you think someting in it doesnt 'work' today, then change it.
    Again, they wrote the constitutional amendment process with THEIR society in mind. I doubt they considered that one day the country would have 50 states and span a continent. The amendment process is extremely difficult in today's world. Much more difficult than it should be, if "original intent" is going to be considered.
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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    IIRC, this was rectified by the 13th amendment.
    AND the "original intent" in this case was not wholly in favor of slavery... the 3/5 compromise was made as a concession to get southern states into the union. If all those at the convention favored slavery, why would they need a compromise? Furthermore, steps toward at least regulating the practice were made, as an agreement was also made to end the importation of slaves early in the next century.

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