View Poll Results: Does the original intent still matter when discussing the Constitution?

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  • Yes. We should strictly follow both the letter and spirit of the original intent.

    28 35.90%
  • Yes. We should follow the original principles and then apply them as new issues arise.

    21 26.92%
  • Yes. The original intent of the Constition is important, but other factors must be considered.

    15 19.23%
  • No. The Constitution is a guiding set of principles that we can interrpret to fit our current needs.

    10 12.82%
  • Other

    4 5.13%
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Thread: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Look up the case of Jock Sturges. The FBI took all his equipment negatives and his life for making images of nudist families when he came back from France on the airplane.
    He's a photographer.
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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Name a fire arm that isn't contrary to public safety (the way you mean it).
    Hey, do you understand how government works?

    IT'S NOT THE WAY I SEE IT.

    IT'S THE WAY THE PEOPLE (VOTERS) OF INDIVIDUAL STATES AND COUNTIES SEE IT.

    GET IT?

    If I call you name I'll get reprimanded by the mods, but you say some of the dopiest, stupidest things.

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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Correct, and banning drawn kiddie porn would be 1st Amendment issue. But as I said, to my knowledge, it isn't illegal anywhere, nor would such a ban likely survive a 1st Amendment challenge.
    Oh, right, at first I didn't see that you were drawing a distinction between the "actual" (photographed, videotaped,etc) and the "manmade (drawn, etc)" with regards to the amendment..

    Yes, I don't know of anywhere the "manmade" porn is banned either, as likely the 1st would be invoked...no rights having been violated...

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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    He's a photographer.
    And that is different from drawing how?

    fair warning I know alot about studio art.

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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    And that is different from drawing how?

    fair warning I know alot about studio art.
    Mostly because in order to create photos of naked kids, you need naked kids.

    Is it really that difficult to figure out?
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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Hey, do you understand how government works?

    IT'S NOT THE WAY I SEE IT.

    IT'S THE WAY THE PEOPLE (VOTERS) OF INDIVIDUAL STATES AND COUNTIES SEE IT.

    GET IT?

    If I call you name I'll get reprimanded by the mods, but you say some of the dopiest, stupidest things.


    So, the voters can just vote away black people's rights?

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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Mostly because in order to create photos of naked kids, you need naked kids.

    Is it really that difficult to figure out?
    Really? In a dark room I could piece together parts that looked like a naked kid. Even Susan Sontag has said after her publication of "On Photography" that photography is not always reality.

    I really do not have a problem with nude images of children or nudity in general. Heck I give the kid a bath several times a week and he is not wearing a bathing suit. Sally Mann did some interesting images in this area as well.

    What I do have a problem with is the sexual abuse of children and I will be the first to call the authorities and pull out my over education in the area of studio art. And since I'm overly educated I will not quit until I find the right person to take action.

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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Really? In a dark room I could piece together parts that looked like a naked kid.
    Then it wouldn't fall under a kiddie porn ban.

    But that's not what Jock Sturges did. (Besides, he wasn't convicted of anything.)

    Not really sure what you think you're arguing against here.
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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Then it wouldn't fall under a kiddie porn ban.

    But that's not what Jock Sturges did. (Besides, he wasn't convicted of anything.)

    Not really sure what you think you're arguing against here.
    Ah Ha I see you know the case. Even still his life got screwed for a while not knowing the outcome.
    Not really sure what you think you're arguing against here
    Ya know I'm not sure either. Once people start talking images in forums like this I have a bad habit of getting on a soap box. I chalk it up to my over education in the field: Pratt undergrad and NYU graduate school then somewhat of a professional career.

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    Re: The Constitution: Does Original Intent Still Matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post


    So, the voters can just vote away black people's rights?
    Forget it, he doesn't know what he's talking about.
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