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Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car?

Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car?

  • Yes. The rule against weapons on campus needs to be enforced! What sort of message does that send?

    Votes: 1 2.6%

  • He should have gotten less time since it wasn't a very deadly weapon and his intent was not violent

    Votes: 2 5.3%

  • I'm not sure about this one...

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • He should have had a warning.

    Votes: 4 10.5%

  • What is wrong with school official these days? Seriously, this is ridiculous!

    Votes: 31 81.6%
  • Total voters
    38
Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

my question after skimming this article is, why was it known on campus that he had a knife in his car?
 
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emdash said:
my question after skimming this article is, why was it known on campus that he had a knife in his car?
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Careless whispers most likely. :neutral:
 
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Lightdemon said:
Careless whispers most likely. :neutral:
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seeing as how he made it known and wasn't just a victim of a random search, I have no sympathy.

but that's not unusual. :2razz:
 
Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

emdash said:
seeing as how he made it known and wasn't just a victim of a random search, I have no sympathy.

but that's not unusual. :2razz:
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I don't think it was necessarily him doing the whisperings. A good friend could have told a teacher thru normal conversation. :shrug:

It doesn't seem like the eagle scout was flaunting the weapon at all.
 
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Lightdemon said:
I don't think it was necessarily him doing the whisperings. A good friend could have told a teacher thru normal conversation. :shrug:

It doesn't seem like the eagle scout was flaunting the weapon at all.
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if that was the case I'm sure they would have mentioned it in the article, which was certainly painting him in the most flattering light possible. I don't think he was flaunting it either but he obviously mentioned it at some point, to enough people that he admittedly didn't know who turned him in.

any moron knows getting caught with a weapon at a high school in this day and age is a serious business. any time you carry concealed in a public place or keep a weapon in your car, you don't go broadcasting it unless you're an attention whore with a political agenda.

excuse me for being skeptical but that ACORN debacle has made me look twice now at pesky kids, especially conservative ones.
 
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the makeout hobo said:
Scissors and baseball bats are very rarely used as weapons. People get stabbed at or around school comparatively often.
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The baseball bat was AL Capone's favorite weapon of "punishment". The terrorists used box openers. Anything can be a weapon....this is common sense.

We need school board and school administrators will some gumption and intellect. We also need to reform and improve things - NOW.
That we have gangs in schools is not good. These scum should be chain-ganged for 20 years...
Then we must work to find out why there are gangs..
And , lastly, this silly "zero tolerance", which is really "zero thinking", must go.
 
Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

emdash said:
if that was the case I'm sure they would have mentioned it in the article, which was certainly painting him in the most flattering light possible. I don't think he was flaunting it either but he obviously mentioned it at some point, to enough people that he admittedly didn't know who turned him in.

any moron knows getting caught with a weapon at a high school in this day and age is a serious business. any time you carry concealed in a public place or keep a weapon in your car, you don't go broadcasting it unless you're an attention whore with a political agenda. I think he was naive, and trusting...Not a good thing in todays age..

excuse me for being skeptical but that ACORN debacle has made me look twice now at pesky kids, especially conservative ones.
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Some of things that occur today are sickeningly ugly....all the silliness and stupidity, lack of ethics and good judgment. And the media, I only trust them to lie and or hide the truth..
 
Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

Lightdemon said:
I'm not gonna say you're wrong, but you have to choose your poison. :shrug:



But bringing any sort of knife to school would be inappropriate regardless. If we are looking at a normal day at school for the average student, never will they ever need a pocket knife. So why bring one? Can you show me a scenario in which a student may need to use a pocket knife during school?

And while pocket knives are not designed to be used as weapons, they can be. As well as scissors, pencils and what have you. But scissors and pencils have a place on campus and in the classroom, and therefore it is reasonable to have these tools on campus since it is necessary in most classes. What activity would a pocket knife be used on campus, where a pair scissors could not achieve? What class would necessitate a pocket knife?

I don't see a reason to bring a pocket knife to school, at all. It shouldn't be on campus anyway, it serves no purpose. It only brings in an unneeded risk.
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Did you even bother to read the context of why it was locked in his car? You did not, obviously, otherwise you wouldn't be talking about scenarios that have to do with needing a pocket knife at school. This is all bull**** smoke and mirrors to derail common sense.
 
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The sad thing about this story is a Honor student who is trying to get into West Point may not be able because of this BS by the School. A bloody pocket knife please, so what about all of the knifes in Home Ech. or the Kitchen lets not forget about the nice stuff in the Shop Rooms or the Archery items and javallen in the track and field stuff that the school has on the school grounds.
 
Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

Scorpion89 said:
The sad thing about this story is a Honor student who is trying to get into West Point may not be able because of this BS by the School. A bloody pocket knife please, so what about all of the knifes in Home Ech. or the Kitchen lets not forget about the nice stuff in the Shop Rooms or the Archery items and javallen in the track and field stuff that the school has on the school grounds.
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That's to much common sense. Get out of here with that.

If it keeps the children safe, it's OK to screw over a few people.

Zero tolerance is a useful tool. Or does it make you a tool?
 
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emdash said:
if that was the case I'm sure they would have mentioned it in the article....
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Isn't that being a wee bit naive?

Yeah they seem to pain him in a good light, but it isn't really that cut & dry... ever. I know from life experience.
 
Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

An Eagle Scout with a bloody survival kit locked in his car? It seems fairly cut and dry to me
 
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Scorpion89 said:
The sad thing about this story is a Honor student who is trying to get into West Point may not be able because of this BS by the School. A bloody pocket knife please, so what about all of the knifes in Home Ech. or the Kitchen lets not forget about the nice stuff in the Shop Rooms or the Archery items and javallen in the track and field stuff that the school has on the school grounds.
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That is a bummer. Let's hope this media attention benefits him in the end.
 
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American said:
Did you even bother to read the context of why it was locked in his car? You did not, obviously, otherwise you wouldn't be talking about scenarios that have to do with needing a pocket knife at school. This is all bull**** smoke and mirrors to derail common sense.
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Why does it matter whether it was locked in his car or not? The policy is to never bring a weapon onto the campus. Period.

I only brought up those scenarios about not needing the pocket knife at school because some people in this thread seem to think there is a need. These scenarios doesn't reflect the actual case. Conversely, those who are arguing that bringing a pocket knife to campus is no big deal, doesn't matter either because it brings no relevance to the actual case with this eagle scout. Whether or not you think students may bring pocket knives to school is irrelevant. The issue is whether the punishment was carried out appropriately (which I believe it was, if they've given the student the minimal punishment). Whether you think the punishment fit the crime is a totally different thing.
 
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Scorpion89 said:
The sad thing about this story is a Honor student who is trying to get into West Point may not be able because of this BS by the School. A bloody pocket knife please, so what about all of the knifes in Home Ech. or the Kitchen lets not forget about the nice stuff in the Shop Rooms or the Archery items and javallen in the track and field stuff that the school has on the school grounds.
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While those tools can be used as weapons, and students have access to them frequently, the tools however are under the watch of the staff. It is also not concealed. This is much different than when a student introduces a weapon onto campus without staff knowledge.
 
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Blackdog said:
That's to much common sense. Get out of here with that.

If it keeps the children safe, it's OK to screw over a few people.

Zero tolerance is a useful tool. Or does it make you a tool?
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Is that what you think I was saying? Seriously, you've been confused, and you still are. You have no idea what I'm trying to say. It seems obvious that you have no intention of understanding what I'm trying to say as well.
 
Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

In a perfect world the people who made this idiotic decision would all be prevented from ever holding any position of authority ever again. Better yet, prevented from ever breeding as well
 
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TurtleDude said:
In a perfect world the people who made this idiotic decision would all be prevented from ever holding any position of authority ever again. Better yet, prevented from ever breeding as well
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Even if the administrators hands were tied because of the zero-tolerance policy??
 
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Lightdemon said:
Even if the administrators hands were tied because of the zero-tolerance policy??
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"made this idiotic decision" was meant to include whomever put that policy in place

the knife in question is not a weapon. we need to start destroying the power of morons.
 
Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

MyOwnDrum said:
Isn't the point of High School to teach the young and prepare them for life?

What would have happened in the adult world? Let's say that you were going through a screening for the airport or some other 'weapon free zone'. You didn't know the exact rules or didn't remember that you had this lethal weapon in your possession.

What would happen? Would they prosecute you?
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They would confiscate it. Been there, done that.
 
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TurtleDude said:
"made this idiotic decision" was meant to include whomever put that policy in place
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Actually, the entire blame is on the zero-tolerance policy. The only fault here is that the policy is in place. The administrators, although giving the student a harsh punishment, were not in the wrong. If it the hands of the administrators were tied, then it's a little unfair to make your judgment like that.
 
Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

Lightdemon said:
Is that what you think I was saying? Seriously, you've been confused, and you still are. You have no idea what I'm trying to say. It seems obvious that you have no intention of understanding what I'm trying to say as well.
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No. It is what I think of people who support "zero tolerence" in any form.

What the **** does this have to do with you?

Although this...

"If it keeps the children safe, it's OK to screw over a few people." - Blackdog

Certainly applies to you...

"In the case of this Eagle scout, the zero-tolerance rule must apply, which just means that some form of punishment needs to be given. If this rule was not applied to this eagle scout, then he is an exception to the rule, and weapons is now introduced onto campus, thus defeating the purpose of having a zero-tolerance policy against weapons on campus.

There can be no exception to the zero-tolerance policy, but the the level of punishment can be discretionary." - Lightdemon

:mrgreen:
 
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Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

Most schools have become Nazi-like since Columbine happened. I believe some of them are taking things waaaaaaaaaaaay to far.
 
Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

I think lightdemon has something against Scouts to be arguing this **** for this long.
 
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