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  • Yes. The rule against weapons on campus needs to be enforced! What sort of message does that send?

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  • He should have gotten less time since it wasn't a very deadly weapon and his intent was not violent

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  • I'm not sure about this one...

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  • He should have had a warning.

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  • What is wrong with school official these days? Seriously, this is ridiculous!

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    Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    Of course there is! If a student breaks a rule, and if caught by any authority on campus, the student will suffer the consequences. You can't expect nothing to happen when rules are broken? What would be the purpose of having the rules in the first place??



    The student would not be the appropriate one to interpret what a "weapon" is. The definition of "weapon" is and should be written within the school policy, and knives are considered weapons in most, if not all, school districts.
    So what you want is to make an example out of him? Tell me why that is? Are you a Boy Scout or have you had anything to do with them?
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    Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    Another reason for having a zero-tolerance policy is to protect students from discrimination (by the administrators who are assigning the punishments).
    Yeah, this kid was really protected by the zero-tolerance policy.
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    Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

    If it was locked in his car, then it should not have been a problem.

    Zero tolerance is nothing but a policy of over reaction.
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    Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So what you want is to make an example out of him? Tell me why that is? Are you a Boy Scout or have you had anything to do with them?
    No, what I'm saying is that if there are rules, there need to be consequences. If there are no consequences, then there might as well be no rules. If there are no consequences, then breaking or following rules wouldn't matter. Rules would have no meaning, and therefore become useless.
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    Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The problem is that rules are utterly stupid unfair and unreasonable. While perhaps not the fault of those who are required to carry them out, it is utterly the fault of the morally bankrupt idiot who created them in the first place. This eagle scout did nothing wrong, and deserves no punishment. The system needs to be changed so it doesn't happen again.
    I'm not gonna say you're wrong, but you have to choose your poison.

    Except that not all knives are weapons. A pocket knife, dinner knife or butter knife is a tool not a weapon. They are not designed for hurting people, and are very inefficient means of causing harm. Having a policy in which students are punished for possessing them is unacceptable.
    But bringing any sort of knife to school would be inappropriate regardless. If we are looking at a normal day at school for the average student, never will they ever need a pocket knife. So why bring one? Can you show me a scenario in which a student may need to use a pocket knife during school?

    And while pocket knives are not designed to be used as weapons, they can be. As well as scissors, pencils and what have you. But scissors and pencils have a place on campus and in the classroom, and therefore it is reasonable to have these tools on campus since it is necessary in most classes. What activity would a pocket knife be used on campus, where a pair scissors could not achieve? What class would necessitate a pocket knife?

    I don't see a reason to bring a pocket knife to school, at all. It shouldn't be on campus anyway, it serves no purpose. It only brings in an unneeded risk.
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    Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    Yeah, this kid was really protected by the zero-tolerance policy.
    Well, you can't say that he was a victim of discrimination.
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    Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Only a few years out of highschool myself, I can say that nothing bred more contempt for authority that zero-tolerance policies. By making completely innocent and reasonable actions worthy of punishment, everyone acts like a criminal. Knowing that good intention and common sense aren't a defense makes everyone afraid. Let us suppose your mom made some pie for the school bake sale, and thoughtfully included a serving knife to cut the pie. When you bring it to school, you just broke the rules. How can even a kid who wants to follow the rules defend against that?
    It seems to me that the only defense you're setting up is ignorance of the rules. If you're a student who want to follow the rules, then you ought to already know that knives are not allowed on campus. Should've known better.
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    Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    It seems to me that the only defense you're setting up is ignorance of the rules. If you're a student who want to follow the rules, then you ought to already know that knives are not allowed on campus. Should've known better.
    When rules are made that ignore "intent" they are worthless to begin with and breed contempt for the law or rules, nothing more.
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    Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

    Stupid as hell!
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    Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

    I'm not gonna say you're wrong, but you have to choose your poison.
    Except your poison is far worse. There is no excuse to throw away common sense when delivering punishments, especially as a matter of policy.

    But bringing any sort of knife to school would be inappropriate regardless. If we are looking at a normal day at school for the average student, never will they ever need a pocket knife. So why bring one? Can you show me a scenario in which a student may need to use a pocket knife during school?
    I would have used a swiss army knife when replacing computer hardware. I would have used bread knives or dinner knives to cut food. I would have used an exacto knife to cut things exactly when making posters. A pocket knife is an incredibly versatile tool that is useful for an uncountable number of tasks.

    And while pocket knives are not designed to be used as weapons, they can be.
    How many kids have been killed by pocketknives in the last year? The fact is a pocketknife is both a useful tool and a terrible weapon. Banning them is stupid enough, but levying a serious punishment like a suspension is unacceptable. They should have just taken the knife away and returned it to him after school.

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