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  • Yes. The rule against weapons on campus needs to be enforced! What sort of message does that send?

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  • He should have gotten less time since it wasn't a very deadly weapon and his intent was not violent

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  • I'm not sure about this one...

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  • He should have had a warning.

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  • What is wrong with school official these days? Seriously, this is ridiculous!

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    Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    So why couldn't the same reasoning be applied to the scissors or baseball bat?
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    Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Well let's say this kid gets a free pass, and then some gang member gets in trouble for having a knife in his car, and says "well he had one too!"
    I think that got covered under 'administrators should have discretion to make decisions case by case'.

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    Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Scissors and baseball bats are very rarely used as weapons. People get stabbed at or around school comparatively often.
    With pocketknives?

    So your definition of a "weapon" is based on how often something is USED as a weapon near the school? Should students be allowed to carry grenade launchers to school (assuming they're legal)? I bet those aren't used as weapons near the school very often.
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    Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

    New York? He shows Common Sense...That means he'll leave at the 1st opportunity.

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    Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    With pocketknives?

    So your definition of a "weapon" is based on how often something is USED as a weapon near the school? Should students be allowed to carry grenade launchers to school (assuming they're legal)? I bet those aren't used as weapons near the school very often.
    No, but they're illegal, so i don't think it'd be an issue. And I said earlier, I think a 2-inch blade is too small to matter. And what do you think administrators should use as decision criteria?
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    Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    No, but they're illegal, so i don't think it'd be an issue. And I said earlier, I think a 2-inch blade is too small to matter. And what do you think administrators should use as decision criteria?
    I would think that a student's record and prior behavior should be more than enough to determine if we are dealing with a gang member or an Eagle Scout...

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    Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    No, but they're illegal, so i don't think it'd be an issue. And I said earlier, I think a 2-inch blade is too small to matter. And what do you think administrators should use as decision criteria?
    1. What kind of weapon it was (a pocketknife, not a Glock)
    2. Where it was found (locked up in the student's car, not on his person)
    3. Why the student had it (it was part of a survivalist kit, not to stab someone)
    4. The character of the student (an Eagle Scout who had never been in trouble before and whose grades are apparently good enough to make him competitive at West Point)
    5. How they found it (the student voluntarily showed it to them in good faith after being asked about it)


    I'm sure there are others, but those are just a few of the criteria I can think of. ALL of the criteria suggest they should not punish the student at all.
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    Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    1. What kind of weapon it was (a pocketknife, not a Glock)
    2. Where it was found (locked up in the student's car, not on his person)
    3. Why the student had it (it was part of a survivalist kit, not to stab someone)
    4. The character of the student (an Eagle Scout who had never been in trouble before and whose grades are apparently good enough to make him competitive at West Point)
    5. How they found it (the student voluntarily showed it to them in good faith after being asked about it)


    I'm sure there are others, but those are just a few of the criteria I can think of. ALL of the criteria suggest they should not punish the student at all.
    I understand that, but I'm just saying there's at least reasons for zero-tolerance policies, regardless if you personally support them.
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    Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    I understand that, but I'm just saying there's at least reasons for zero-tolerance policies, regardless if you personally support them.
    Yeah. To keep the administration from actually having the responsibility of making rational decisions on a case by case basis.

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    Re: Should this Eagle Scout have been suspended for keeping 2" pocketknife in his car

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Yeah. To keep the administration from actually having the responsibility of making rational decisions on a case by case basis.
    And what would be the motivation in doing that?
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