View Poll Results: Is Patriotism Good or Bad?

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Thread: Patriotism: Good or Bad?

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    Re: Patriotism: Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    A nationalist believes that his/her country and people don't deserve better?
    Not in the same sense. A nationalist will back whatever their country does. Essentially, we will not apologize for anything or admit we screwed up.

    A patriot does not share that line of thinking.
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    Re: Patriotism: Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Not in the same sense. A nationalist will back whatever their country does. Essentially, we will not apologize for anything or admit we screwed up.

    A patriot does not share that line of thinking.

    I see. I do too think that there is a difference between Nationalism and Patriotism, but I think the difference lies only within theory...

    Nationalist can live within a country and hate the country (their nation is not represented well by the state)

    Patriot, by definition, loves the country, regardless of their nationality.

    I think the harmful outcome is that we have Nation-States where we channel nationhood through statism.
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    Re: Patriotism: Good or Bad?

    I consider myself a Patriotic American and I do not consider the people who inhabit the Government to be in general Patriotic. And this apples to both Parties though in varying degrees. I believe our country should be an exceptional country and excel in everything that is possible and good. We should be an example to all nations.
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    Re: Patriotism: Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Not in the same sense. A nationalist will back whatever their country does. Essentially, we will not apologize for anything or admit we screwed up.

    A patriot does not share that line of thinking.
    I think you must have gotten your definition what nationalism is from a liberal site.

    nationalism - Dictionary definition and pronunciation - Yahoo! Education

    Devotion to the interests or culture of one's nation.

    The belief that nations will benefit from acting independently rather than collectively, emphasizing national rather than international goals.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Patriotism: Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    This is an interesting concept.
    However, as it stands, not every citizen is part of the majority nationality. Does the majority nationality have the responsibility to protect the citizens who are not of the nationality?
    This depends on the state's regime policy.
    If the state is our common Western Liberal Democracy, the minority nationalities would be given [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_rights"]minority rights[/ame] and would be protected by the state with laws such as the law to prevent the [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority"]tyranny of the majority.[/ame]

    I suppose for you it would be... basically is Livni or is Lieberman right?
    I didn't understand the question.
    You're asking about political camps?
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    Re: Patriotism: Good or Bad?

    It can be good, it can be bad, it depends on the extent to which it is taken. There are absolutely patriotic fanatics out there who think their particular country can do no wrong and that form of patriotism is absolutely bad. Feeling a sense of pride in your nation while still being able to criticize it isn't a bad thing at all.
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