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    Re: Patriotism: Good or Bad?

    Nationalism is delusional and therefore so is patriotism.

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    Re: Patriotism: Good or Bad?

    I think it's negative on the whole. People commit atrocities in the name of patriotism, they stifle dissent in the name of patriotism, they pursue anti-immigrant policies, and they fight unjust wars in the name of patriotism. On the other hand...people might be more willing to sacrifice during a just war (like the Allies during WWII), but that doesn't happen often enough to outweigh all the bad things.

    So on the whole, it's a negative. Just like most other forms of groupthink IMO.
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    Re: Patriotism: Good or Bad?

    Patriotism is fine.

    Nationalism is the problem. Far too many "patriots" are really nationalists.

    Simple difference.

    A patriot believe that his/her country and people deserve better.
    A nationalist believes that his/her country right or wrong.

    A great many "patriots" are really nationalists.
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    Re: Patriotism: Good or Bad?

    Patriotism is based on the belief that the world should be divided into nations and that every nation should do the most to protect its citizens in all of the fields in life(Security, Economy, Health, etc).

    It cannot be described as 'good' or 'bad' or 'neither' as it is looked at differently by people who share this belief, those who believe that humanity should not be divided into states and that all of the human beings should be citizens of the entire world, and other groups that have their own reasons to object to such an ideology.
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    Re: Patriotism: Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Patriotism is a good thing. There's nothing wrong with showing loyalty to your country.
    Did you know that the Council of Generals that decided what the Army Values would be almost left "loyalty" off the list. Too much loyalty can be a bad thing, also.

    The value that would have been was "Candor"...but CDRSHIP doesn't make sense, so they put loyalty.

    Candor, if you think about it, flies in the face of loyalty sometimes. Many that are loyal wouldn't tell the Emporer had no clothes, so to speak. Those with candor would have...

    Candor, IMO, is a much more valuable personal trait than loyalty...

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    Re: Patriotism: Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I think it's negative on the whole. People commit atrocities in the name of patriotism, they stifle dissent in the name of patriotism, they pursue anti-immigrant policies, and they fight unjust wars in the name of patriotism. On the other hand...people might be more willing to sacrifice during a just war (like the Allies during WWII), but that doesn't happen often enough to outweigh all the bad things.

    So on the whole, it's a negative. Just like most other forms of groupthink IMO.
    People do horrible things in the name of religion, lack of religion, political ideology, and many other benign things. Patriotism is like alcohol, it can be fine and a good thing in moderation, but overdoing it makes all of the good things go down the drain.

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    Re: Patriotism: Good or Bad?

    Depends on how you define patriotism.

    Too many people who claim to be patriotic, think it means nothing more than waving a flag and reciting a pledge.

    If that's how "patriotism" is defined....then it is meaningless.
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    Re: Patriotism: Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Patriotism is based on the belief that the world should be divided into nations and that every nation should do the most to protect its citizens in all of the fields in life(Security, Economy, Health, etc).
    This is an interesting concept.
    However, as it stands, not every citizen is part of the majority nationality. Does the majority nationality have the responsibility to protect the citizens who are not of the nationality? I suppose for you it would be... basically is Livni or is Lieberman right?

    It cannot be described as 'good' or 'bad' or 'neither' as it is looked at differently by people who share this belief, those who believe that humanity should not be divided into states and that all of the human beings should be citizens of the entire world, and other groups that have their own reasons to object to such an ideology.
    This is interesting too.


    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Patriotism is fine.

    Nationalism is the problem. Far too many "patriots" are really nationalists.

    Simple difference.

    A patriot believe that his/her country and people deserve better.
    A nationalist believes that his/her country right or wrong.

    A great many "patriots" are really nationalists.
    A nationalist believes that his/her country and people don't deserve better?
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    A patriot does not believe that his/her country is right/wrong?

    I'd hate to see the patriot who is infatuated with his/her country because he/she knows it's wrong.
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    Re: Patriotism: Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    A thread which stems from a discussion here: http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...up-pledge.html

    And because it's inevitable in the course of this thread:
    Patriotism Definition | Definition of Patriotism at Dictionary.com


    Take your pick and explain.
    If you believe in sovereignty of your country then patriotism is a good thing, if you are a globalist piece of **** then no it is not a good thing.
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    Re: Patriotism: Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If you believe in sovereignty of your country then patriotism is a good thing, if you are a globalist piece of **** then no it is not a good thing.
    Or if you are Basque and you believe that your country does not represent your nationality....


    Or that globalist pos thing.
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