View Poll Results: Which of these registration requirements violate your rights?

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  • The requirement to register... to vote

    3 7.89%
  • ... to have an abortion

    18 47.37%
  • ... to attend a political rally

    28 73.68%
  • ... to send a letter to the editor

    26 68.42%
  • ... to publish a letter to the editor

    25 65.79%
  • ... to buy a gun

    18 47.37%
  • ... to post a blog

    25 65.79%
  • ... to go to church

    26 68.42%
  • ... none of the above

    5 13.16%
  • ... all of the above

    5 13.16%
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    Re: Does registration infringe on your right to...

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    you're right again. i have a hard time understanding why they needed to be enumerated, if they already existed, though.
    This is -clearly- true.
    Did you not take a US Government or Civics class?
    Did you pass?

    The Bill of Rights protects, not grants, the rights mentioned within.

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    Re: Does registration infringe on your right to...

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    you're right again. i have a hard time understanding why they needed to be enumerated, if they already existed, though.
    Originally, the constitution had no bill of rights-- many delegates refused to ratify it, as they felt it did not do enough to ensure their rights would be protected. The first ten amendments were added to further ensure that the government would not trample peoples' rights, and so it was ratified. Some, however, such as Patrick Henry, still believed it did not go far enough, but the bill of rights satisfied enough to get it adopted.

    (in a nutshell)

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    Re: Does registration infringe on your right to...

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    the people are the govt'.
    No. The People are the People. The government is an institution created by the People to see to affairs of State. The government can be made by the People, it can be made for the People, it can be made of the People; but the government is not the People.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Does registration infringe on your right to...

    Quote Originally Posted by other View Post
    Originally, the constitution had no bill of rights-- many delegates refused to ratify it, as they felt it did not do enough to ensure their rights would be protected. The first ten amendments were added to further ensure that the government would not trample peoples' rights, and so it was ratified. Some, however, such as Patrick Henry, still believed it did not go far enough, but the bill of rights satisfied enough to get it adopted.

    (in a nutshell)
    thank you for not being snide. of course i understand the history, but in my opinion, the rights we enjoy are really social constructs. the men who created the bill of rights merely listed the rights they believed we should have, not rights bestowed us from on high.

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    Re: Does registration infringe on your right to...

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    you're right again. i have a hard time understanding why they needed to be enumerated, if they already existed, though.
    This was a HUGE debate at the time. Some people felt that there had to be some rights listed to ensure that the government didn't infringe upon them. Rights so sacred and important that under no circumstance could we allow for treason and tyranny against them. Others felt that by listing some of the rights, the government would assume that those were the only one's which existed and would work against the others. They thought the rights were self-evident and didn't need to be listed. Since the Constitution is a system of positive power (granting) to the government, if the Constitution didn't grant a power the government didn't have it. Those against the Bill of Rights thought this was in and of itself good enough to prevent the government from acting against the rights and liberties of the individual.

    So people debated hotly the topic. Why did they have to be enumerated? Well I think Badnarik puts it the best. You have to consider the government as an infant. The Constitution lays out things that the government may do, it grants it the power necessary to do the job and gives a list of things it's supposed to do and what it's empowered to do. But it's like a child, you tell a kid they have to do something; but that doesn't mean that they understand that they are forbidden from things not granted. As such you have to tell them that they can't do other things as well. The Bill of Rights was included as the "no" list. These are the things government absolutely cannot touch. And as further insurance, the 10th amendment makes clear that anything not granted to the government in the Constitution is reserved by the People and the States.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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    Re: Does registration infringe on your right to...

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    thank you for not being snide. of course i understand the history, but in my opinion, the rights we enjoy are really social constructs. the men who created the bill of rights merely listed the rights they believed we should have, not rights bestowed us from on high.
    They were the rights most necessary for the restricting of government.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Does registration infringe on your right to...

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    thank you for not being snide. of course i understand the history, but in my opinion, the rights we enjoy are really social constructs. the men who created the bill of rights merely listed the rights they believed we should have, not rights bestowed us from on high.
    Your 'belief' ignores the reality of the situation.

    So, believe it all you want -- you're demonstrably wrong.

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    Re: Does registration infringe on your right to...

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    thank you for not being snide. of course i understand the history, but in my opinion, the rights we enjoy are really social constructs. the men who created the bill of rights merely listed the rights they believed we should have, not rights bestowed us from on high.
    They already held those rights, many protected under the various state constitutions prior to the federal constitution. They had to be convinced that they would retain their rights unthreatened under the new system.

    They did not list them believing they should have them, they listed them to ensure they would not be usurped under the new, more powerful (than the articles), constitution of the united states.
    Last edited by other; 10-14-09 at 05:12 PM.

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    Re: Does registration infringe on your right to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It is an infringement. And registration does violate the 4th as well.
    No it isn't. Not being able to scream fire in a crowded theater doesn't infringe on your right to free speech. No right has ever been seen as absolute. The inability to own your own personal nuclear weapon doesn't infringe on your right to bear arms either.
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    Re: Does registration infringe on your right to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No it isn't. Not being able to scream fire in a crowded theater doesn't infringe on your right to free speech.
    Apples and oranges -- that the first does not protect yelling fire in a theater does no tin any way support the idea that the 2nd does not allow for registration.

    Does the 1st amendment allow the government to force you to register with said government before going to church?

    Does the 1st amendment allow the government to force you to register with said governent before attending a political rally?

    Does the 2nd amendment allow the government to force you to register with said governent before you buy a gun?

    Please explain the disparity in your answers.

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