View Poll Results: Which of these registration requirements violate your rights?

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  • The requirement to register... to vote

    3 7.89%
  • ... to have an abortion

    18 47.37%
  • ... to attend a political rally

    28 73.68%
  • ... to send a letter to the editor

    26 68.42%
  • ... to publish a letter to the editor

    25 65.79%
  • ... to buy a gun

    18 47.37%
  • ... to post a blog

    25 65.79%
  • ... to go to church

    26 68.42%
  • ... none of the above

    5 13.16%
  • ... all of the above

    5 13.16%
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    Re: Does registration infringe on your right to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    That is a real stretch.
    Is it? I have the right to secure myself, papers, effects, property, etc. against unreasonable search and seizure. Do I not? Did that change somewhere? Fingerprints, purchases, etc these are myself, papers, effects, property, etc. The government must have legitimate reason to conduct a search of these things and obtain proper warrant. Just buying ammunition does not count as legitimate reason to conduct a search. Therefore, the government gathering and databasing my fingerprints, purchases, property, etc is an unreasonable search specifically forbidden by the 4th amendment. Less the 4th amendment doesn't exist anymore, I mean that could have been part of the Patriot Act.
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    Re: Does registration infringe on your right to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Aside from the fact that "infringe" covers more than simple prohibition....same can be said for registering in order for having an abortion.

    However...
    The requirement to register DOES bar you from bearing arms until you meet that the precondition.
    By that measure, a sales tax which pushes the price of the firearm slightly above what I can pay is unconstitutional because it infringes upon my right to own a firearm. The requirement to pay sales tax bars me from bearing arms until I can scrounge up enough cash to pay for the sale tax. How insane do you want to go in your less the subtle argument?

    Considering your posting history, you need to define infringe or this thread is going straight down the toilet.
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    Re: Does registration infringe on your right to...

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    By that measure, a sales tax which pushes the price of the firearm slightly above what I can pay is unconstitutional because it infringes upon my right to own a firearm.
    Not any more than your right is infringed by having to pay for the gun itself.

    Sales tax is part of the purchase price.
    Purchasing the firearm is a precondition necessary to the exercise of the right, and so simple sales tax does not infringe the right.

    Considering your posting history, you need to define infringe or this thread is going straight down the toilet.
    Considering -your- posting history and your penchant for deliberatly failing to understand the points made to you, you need not bother posting at all...

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    Re: Does registration infringe on your right to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Aside from the fact that "infringe" covers more than simple prohibition....same can be said for registering in order for having an abortion.

    However...
    The requirement to register DOES bar you from bearing arms until you meet that the precondition.

    The precondition is the infringement, as said precondition is not inherent to the right -- that is, something necessary in order for the right to be exercised due to the nature of the right itself.
    i completely disagree. registration in no way violates your right to bear arms.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Does registration infringe on your right to...

    let's define infringement:

    Main Entry: in·fringe·ment
    Pronunciation: \in-ˈfrinj-mənt\
    Function: noun
    Date: 1628
    1 : the act of infringing : violation
    2 : an encroachment or trespass on a right or privilege

    how exactly does registration fit this definition? the right itself has not been altered.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Does registration infringe on your right to...

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    let's define infringement:

    Main Entry: in·fringe·ment
    Pronunciation: \in-ˈfrinj-mənt\
    Function: noun
    Date: 1628
    1 : the act of infringing : violation
    2 : an encroachment or trespass on a right or privilege

    how exactly does registration fit this definition? the right itself has not been altered.
    I explained this to you.

    It would be an 'encroachment' or a 'tresspass' in that it creates a precondition to the right not inherent to same -- that is, something that if it were not in place, the right could not be legitimately exercised because said precondition creates the conditions necessary for that exercise.

    Unless you can show that the nature of the right to arms -requires- that the governemnt knows who has a gun and that it is not possible to legitimately exercise that right w/o said registration, then the argument that it is an infringement stands.

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    Re: Does registration infringe on your right to...

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i completely disagree. registration in no way violates your right to bear arms.
    Unless you can show that the nature of the right to arms -requires- that the governemnt knows who has a gun and that it is not possible to legitimately exercise that right w/o said registration, then the argument that it is an infringement stands.

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    Re: Does registration infringe on your right to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Unless you can show that the nature of the right to arms -requires- that the governemnt knows who has a gun and that it is not possible to legitimately exercise that right w/o said registration, then the argument that it is an infringement stands.
    Even if the court were to hold the Second Amendment applicable to states and localities, such a ruling is unlikely to change the crucial holding by the Supreme Court in Heller that a wide range of reasonable gun laws are presumptively constitutional, and that the Second Amendment right is narrowly limited to guns in the home for self-defense," said Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.


    sure to be challenges, so we shall see.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Does registration infringe on your right to...

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    let's define infringement:

    Main Entry: in·fringe·ment
    Pronunciation: \in-ˈfrinj-mənt\
    Function: noun
    Date: 1628
    1 : the act of infringing : violation
    2 : an encroachment or trespass on a right or privilege

    how exactly does registration fit this definition? the right itself has not been altered.
    Because it's a violation. I have to register with the government, I have to be on a list and be watched...for what? Exercising my rights? Really? You think that consitutes reasonable probability to obtain warrant against my person? Do you? Why should the mere exercise of a right be met with such suspicion? If you wanted to speak in public, would you accept being fingerprinted, all your personal information taken, given to the police so they can database it and watch your activities? Is that not an infringement upon free speech?

    The base of our rights are constraints upon the government, not the other way around.
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    Re: Does registration infringe on your right to...

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    sure to be challenges, so we shall see.
    Aside from the fact that the claim in your quote (from a biased, anti-gun source) is factually wrong...

    So, you dont have a counter to my argument?
    You cannot show that the nature of the right to arms -requires- that the governemnt knows who has a gun and that it is not possible to legitimately exercise that right w/o said registration?

    Then on what do you base your assertion that "registration in no way violates your right to bear arms."?

    Tell me:
    How do you argue against the position that registration in no way violates your right to an abortion?
    Last edited by Goobieman; 10-14-09 at 12:16 PM.

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