View Poll Results: Which of these registration requirements violate your rights?

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  • The requirement to register... to vote

    3 7.89%
  • ... to have an abortion

    18 47.37%
  • ... to attend a political rally

    28 73.68%
  • ... to send a letter to the editor

    26 68.42%
  • ... to publish a letter to the editor

    25 65.79%
  • ... to buy a gun

    18 47.37%
  • ... to post a blog

    25 65.79%
  • ... to go to church

    26 68.42%
  • ... none of the above

    5 13.16%
  • ... all of the above

    5 13.16%
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    Re: Does registration infringe on your right to...

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    Re: Does registration infringe on your right to...

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Therefore, having to pay for the gun is an infringement. By the Constitution, all firearms should be free. Again, how insane do you want to go?



    That would be an insane argument, considering the Constitution bars government infringement, not private.

    Which is not to say, of course, that someone requiring I pay for something before I get it IS an "infringement" of anything.



    Furthermore, by your reasoning, registration is a precondition necessary to the exercise of the right

    Therefore, registration is not an infringement.
    Nope. Registration is something the government requires you to do which is no way, shape, or form endemic to the sale. Paying for something IS endemic to a sale.
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    Re: Does registration infringe on your right to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
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    That would be an insane argument, considering the Constitution bars government infringement, not private.

    Which is not to say, of course, that someone requiring I pay for something before I get it IS an "infringement" of anything.





    Nope. Registration is something the government requires you to do which is no way, shape, or form endemic to the sale. Paying for something IS endemic to a sale.
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    Re: Does registration infringe on your right to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
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    That would be an insane argument, considering the Constitution bars government infringement, not private.

    Which is not to say, of course, that someone requiring I pay for something before I get it IS an "infringement" of anything.
    That depends on how you define infringement. I have been asking Goobieman to define it, yet in his usual dishonest way, he refuses to. It appears his definition is anything [he deems] that prevents/delays you from buying a firearm. By his working definition aside from the obvious double standards that generally comes in all of his posts, a sale tax prevents/delays you from owning a firearm. Furthermore, by his working definition of infringement, mere requirements to pay for it infringes upon your ownership as it delays or prevents ownership. While Goobieman may get all pushed out of shape for constant requests for him to define the key term, without it, we get this kind of stupid discussion as I predicted.

    Without defining infringement, this discussion has only one place to go: down the toilet like all of Goobieman's threads.
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    Re: Does registration infringe on your right to...

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    OC doesn't see it, he just doesn't and never will.
    lol. Amusing, given that I am requesting an actual definition of infringement other then Goobieman's "whatever I deem" definition. As for you, your opinion means little. After all, you said that Toyota has the same problems as GM. Talk about ignorant.
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    Re: Does registration infringe on your right to...

    How could you argue that registration is intrinsic to the purchase or ownership of firearms when in several states you can still purchase a gun without registering it?

    And prior to any government intervention people did the same everywhere.

    Registration is not intrinsic to the purchase or the ownership of firearms, I have one myself that is not registered in my name, it was bought by my great-grandfather in the 1950s.

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    Re: Does registration infringe on your right to...

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    That depends on how you define infringement. I have been asking Goobieman to define it, yet in his usual dishonest way, he refuses to. It appears his definition is anything [he deems] that prevents/delays you from buying a firearm. By his working definition aside from the obvious double standards that generally comes in all of his posts, a sale tax prevents/delays you from owning a firearm. Furthermore, by his working definition of infringement, mere requirements to pay for it infringes upon your ownership as it delays or prevents ownership. While Goobieman may get all pushed out of shape for constant requests for him to define the key term, without it, we get this kind of stupid discussion as I predicted.

    Without defining infringement, this discussion has only one place to go: down the toilet like all of Goobieman's threads.
    Well, considering the word is used in a provision which limits government action, I'd think it's pretty obvious that having to pay for something you buy wouldn't fall into it, so I don't see why that needs to be defined. You're simply reducing to absurdity.
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    Re: Does registration infringe on your right to...

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Well, considering the word is used in a provision which limits government action, I'd think it's pretty obvious that having to pay for something you buy wouldn't fall into it, so I don't see why that needs to be defined. You're simply reducing to absurdity.
    Except that sale taxes are not actually related to the real price of the firearm. They are an artificial add on that in no way represents the true value/cost/profit to the seller/buyer.

    By your reasoning, a sale tax of $1 billion on a $5 item is not an infringement, even if it effectively bans people from owning things.

    If sale tax made the purchase out of your reach for the time being, isn't that a delay? Doesn't that prevent you from owning it?

    You fail to realize I am merely using Goobieman's definition of anything that prevents or delays. If you do not like that definition, take it up with him.
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    Re: Does registration infringe on your right to...

    Quote Originally Posted by other View Post
    Registration is not intrinsic to the purchase or the ownership of firearms
    Neither is a sale tax. A sales tax is government coming into the transaction and placing artificial barriers that interfere with the normal transaction. If that sale tax is high enough, it can bar, prevent or delay the purchase. How does that not infringe?
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    Re: Does registration infringe on your right to...

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Neither is a sale tax. A sales tax is government coming into the transaction and placing artificial barriers that interfere with the normal transaction. If that sale tax is high enough, it can bar, prevent or delay the purchase. How does that not infringe?
    I never said it didn't.

    Federal sales taxes beyond what are specifically allowed within the constitution are certainly infringements, just like registering... especially prohibitive taxes, like you mentioned.

    You don't pay a sales tax if you purchase from a private individual. You must when you purchase from a licensed dealer because, like many other areas, the government has encroached.
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