View Poll Results: What is hate speech?

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  • A-Speech that offends a person or group of people based on their social or ethnic group.

    2 10.53%
  • B-What ever those in power say it is.

    4 21.05%
  • A little of both of the above

    1 5.26%
  • Mostly option A and a little of option B.

    3 15.79%
  • Mostly option B and a little of the option A.

    2 10.53%
  • Other

    7 36.84%
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Thread: What is hate speech?

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    Re: What is hate speech?

    Interesting that the motivation...

    ...for speech that attacks or disparages a person or group of people based on their social or ethnic group[1], such as race, gender, age, ethnicity, nationality, religion, or lack there of, sexual orientation, gender identity, disability, language ability, ideology, social class, occupation, appearance (height, weight, skin color, etc.), mental capacity, and any other distinction that might be considered by some as a liability...
    ...is automatically and unquestioningly attrubited to hate.

    Because, you know, that's the ONLY reason someome might have to 'attack' or 'disparage' a group of people.
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    Re: What is hate speech?

    hate speech?

    It's something a bunch of low class people indulge in to mask their own lack of self esteem.
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    Re: What is hate speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    Hate speech is saying homosexuality is a sin. Hate speech is NOT saying the Catholic Church is a patriarchal, mysoginistic organization run by pedophiliacs.

    It's saying that Islam is a violent, opressive religion that promotes terrorism. But it's not hate speech to say that the Mormon church is a patriarchal, homophobic religion.

    It's okay to say Evangelicals are all a bunch of deranged lunatics with a distorted view of reality. It's NOT okay to say that Blacks have lower IQs and that intelligence is an inherited trait. That would be hate speech.
    I personally think that all of what you describe qualifies as bigotry, not hate speech. Including some of the things you said weren't "hate speech".

    Hate speech is saying "Islamic people are all terrorists and deserve to die." or "Jews secretly run the world, Hitler was on to something" or "Irish people are uncouth savages. They should be rounded up and put into internment camps and we should steal their potatoes."



    Also, I find a couple of your choices interesting. For example, You said "saying that Islam is a violent, opressive religion that promotes terrorism" is hate speech, and then compared that to calling Mormonism "a patriarchal, homophobic religion" which wouldn't be considered hate speech.

    I don't believe that is a valid comparison. It's apples to oranges, actually.

    Saying Islam is a "violent, oppressive religion that promotes terrorism" is comparable to saying Mormonism is a "violent, oppressive religion that promotes terrorism."

    Most people who would argue against the first assertion would also argue against the latter assertion. However, most people who would argue in favor of that first assertion, would argue against the latter. These people are bigots.


    Conversely, saying Mormonism is "a patriarchal, homophobic religion" is comparable to saying Islam is "a patriarchal, homophobic religion."

    In this case, however, I'm not totally convinced that most of those who would argue against the first assertion would also argue against the latter assertion. I think a large proportion might, but I don't know if it would be "most".

    However, I do believe that many of those who would argue in favor of the first assertion would also argue in favor of the second.

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    Re: What is hate speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Interesting that the motivation...



    ...is automatically and unquestioningly attrubited to hate.

    Because, you know, that's the ONLY reason someome might have to 'attack' or 'disparage' a group of people.
    Well, "intense dislike speech" didn't have the same ring to it.

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    Re: What is hate speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post

    Saying Islam is a "violent, oppressive religion that promotes terrorism" is comparable to saying Mormonism is a "violent, oppressive religion that promotes terrorism."

    Most people who would argue against the first assertion would also argue against the latter assertion. However, most people who would argue in favor of that first assertion, would argue against the latter. These people are bigots.


    Conversely, saying Mormonism is "a patriarchal, homophobic religion" is comparable to saying Islam is "a patriarchal, homophobic religion."

    In this case, however, I'm not totally convinced that most of those who would argue against the first assertion would also argue against the latter assertion. I think a large proportion might, but I don't know if it would be "most".

    However, I do believe that many of those who would argue in favor of the first assertion would also argue in favor of the second.
    You are expanding the notion of hate speech to include that with which a person has utter control here since you are talking about ideologies voluntarily accepted or rejected rather racial or ethnic traits of which a person has no control.

    Under your definition of hate speech to include words critical of arbitrary ideologies, in order to be consistant, you would have to include communism, fascism, supremacist ideologies, occult beliefs or any other belief system. You would if you wished to compare apples to apples yourself, anyway.
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    Re: What is hate speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    This is easy:
    A politically incorrect exercise of the right to free speech that liberals take offense to.
    Anytime a conservative speaks, it's hate speech.
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    Re: What is hate speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    You are expanding the notion of hate speech to include that with which a person has utter control here since you are talking about ideologies voluntarily accepted or rejected rather racial or ethnic traits of which a person has no control.

    Under your definition of hate speech to include words critical of arbitrary ideologies, in order to be consistant, you would have to include communism, fascism, supremacist ideologies, occult beliefs or any other belief system. You would if you wished to compare apples to apples yourself, anyway.

    Did you actually read the first sentence of that post?

    If not, try again after you have.

    If so, how the hell did you get it so wrong?

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