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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    I replaced your post with Fruit by the Foot.

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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I replaced your post with Fruit by the Foot.
    ****. I lose.

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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Do you deem all illegal substances "harmful," or just certain ones?
    Per the OP, we are only concerning ourselves with the specific drugs legalized by Mexico, to the minimal extent Mexico is now allowing personal possession of those specific drugs.

    We are therefore not speaking of distribution. We are not speaking of manufacturing. We are not speaking of any drug which is currently legal, such as liquor, caffeine or tobacco.

    Guess what folks, Mexico is not now allowing free and legal access to any and all drugs in any quantity for you to now point to them and ask "why don't we do the same".

    Mexico loosened a couple possession laws, and they did so to ease the burden on their prisons, not in the name of freedom or personal rights or liberty. Mexico did not loosen a few of their personal possession laws because "the sate has no right to keep someone from harming themselves", or "it's the citizen's body so it's the citizen's choice, we'll step out of their way and let them make their own decisions".

    They did so out of purely economical reasons. They could give a **** about personal freedom.

    Mexico did NOT 'legalize all drugs'.
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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The state has a compelling interest in keeping it's citizens from becoming victims.
    Ok, I actually agree with you here to a degree. You had said earlier that you weren't so concerned with marijuana, but with the harder drugs like Meth, Coke and Heroin, and I believe LSD. I've seen the effects these can cause and it is not pretty. IIRC, on the streets Amphetamine is known as "White" while Heroin is known as "Black". I have not seen Meth effects, but "Black" is bad, bad news.

    The thing is, Jerry, in this comparison you site of involuntary admission to a mental hospital, that is a medical solution to a medical problem. It is not criminal until the patient commits a crime. Likewise, by at least decriminalizing these harder drugs and treating them as the medical problems they are, we don't treat as criminals until an actual crime is commited. But, and this is where we may start to agree, free use of the drugs is out of the question and they need treatment to kick the addiction.

    Legalize Marijuana and Hash, LSD, Shrooms - they are not criminal. Tax them and start a domestic distribution industry. I include hallucinogenics as they are safe and useful for mind altering experiences.

    Hard drugs: Coke, Meth, Crack, Heroin - decriminalize them but don't legalize them. Pour money currently going into war on drugs into treatment facilities. Treatment would include mental health, life skills and job fairs. Get them productive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I am not a part of any conversation involving the failed government program named "the war on drugs".
    The problem is one of criminalization where there ought to be health issues and treatment.
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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Mexico loosened a couple possession laws, and they did so to ease the burden on their prisons, not in the name of freedom or personal rights or liberty. Mexico did not loosen a few of their personal possession laws because "the sate has no right to keep someone from harming themselves", or "it's the citizen's body so it's the citizen's choice, we'll step out of their way and let them make their own decisions".
    Our conversation seems to have evolved beyond the OP's post. We do have a similar problem with overburdened prisons with minimum sentencing that should perhaps continue to be part of our conversation.

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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Except that killing is not a victimless crime. Drug usage happens to be a victimless crime.
    And with the govt option everyone can have the privilege of paying for rehabilitation.
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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Firstly, life is a right. Having other people not do drugs isn't. Secondly, there isn't a large market for murder. There is one for drugs, therefore, a large black market.
    By the same token, being able to do drugs isn't a right either. The constitution is entirely silent on the matter. Therefore, arguing that people have a right to do drugs is absurd.

    Secondly, the size of the market is irrelevant. If you want to substitute speeding for murder, we can do that too. There are many, many, many more people who speed than do drugs. Should we abolish all speed limits on every road in the nation because people will just do it anyhow?
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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Why don't we ban alcohol and Tobacco? both have done far more damage to society than hard drugs no matter what way you look at it
    Because they're already legal. There's a difference between making an existing legal thing illegal and legalizing something that is illegal.

    Except that drug use by itself, is a victimless crime.
    Except that... it's not. While the direct impact of drug use may be on the individual, society carries the cost of widespread drug use.

    It has no right to ban victimless actions that people keep to themselves. As long as no one else's rights are being violated, one may do as they please. Adultery has many of the same effects on society as drug abuse, yet that's still legal.
    Which is simply not the case. People can't speed because they want to. People can't just do what they want.
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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    It's not Uncle Sam's job to stop you from your own stupidity.
    So long as it's paying the bills, yes it is. If you want to sign off legally that you'll take 100% responsibility for your own actions, then do whatever you want. But when you overdose and you expect the city, state or federal government to come along and save your life, forget it. You're on your own.

    Want to do that? Then sure, for you I don't care what you do to yourself.
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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Our conversation seems to have evolved beyond the OP's post. We do have a similar problem with overburdened prisons with minimum sentencing that should perhaps continue to be part of our conversation.
    I have no problem with letting all drug users out of prison, they have no business being there in the first place. They belong in treatment programs, not behind bars.
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