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Thread: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    The drugs do no such thing. Some individuals who lack self-control and/or who have a tendency towards violence do those things. Much like guns don't kill people, but people who lack self control, education, and tend toward violence DO kill people. We don't ban guns, we teach people how to use them properly and punish those who use them improperly.
    There is no firearm equivalent to chemical dependency.


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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Alcohol has done far far more damage to society, when it was legal or not, than all hard drugs combined
    Please take a moment to finish your post with the second half of your argument.

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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    There is no firearm equivalent to chemical dependency.
    What does that have to do with the fact that drugs don't **** up families or commit crimes?

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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Nope, because murder actually has a victim.
    As does drug use. The user is the victim even assuming the user's children and immediate family are not harmed (which would be an extremely rare and exotic example).

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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    What does that have to do with the fact that drugs don't **** up families or commit crimes?
    In truth I'm not sure what your firearm comment had to do with anything, so if you don't know, neither do I.

    Chemical dependence is a pro-active negative force in the family.

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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    In truth I'm not sure what your firearm comment had to do with anything, so if you don't know, neither do I.
    Much like the way guns don't kill people, drugs don't commit crimes or destroy families. PEOPLE do.

    Chemical dependence is a pro-active negative force in the family.
    The person who acts negatively is the negative force. Dependence doesn't MAKE anyone do anything.

    For instance, My father's chemical dependence on both caffeine and nicotine is not a "negative force" in the family.

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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    As does drug use. The user is the victim
    If the perpetrator is also the victim, then why should it be illegal? The whole idea of criminal law is to protect people from one another, not from themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry
    even assuming the user's children and immediate family are not harmed (which would be an extremely rare and exotic example).
    Our society does not typically make crimes out of actions that could indirectly harm families (e.g. drinking, adultery, making bad investments, being unemployed, etc). Furthermore, the DEA and criminal sentences for drug crimes harm plenty of families too, so it's not even clear that drug use harms families more than the war on drugs itself does.
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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Much like the way guns don't kill people, drugs don't commit crimes or destroy families. PEOPLE do.
    And again, there is no firearm equivalent to chemical dependency.

    If a firearm is lawfully used as directed by the manufacturer, either an animal dies for dinner or a criminal is stopped.

    If meth were lawfully used as directed by the manufacturer, the user would become chemically addicted and (as with almost any other legal addiction) begin neglecting responsibilities with the sole drive and purpose of acquiring their next fix. Children and family would be forgotten (sometimes even sold), the user would not be able to hold down a job or pay bills.

    Firearms do not do that.

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    The person who acts negatively is the negative force. Dependence doesn't MAKE anyone do anything.
    That's foolishness.

    Yes, chemical addiction does drive people to crime.

    Firearms do not.

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    For instance, My father's chemical dependence on both caffeine and nicotine is not a "negative force" in the family.
    Ahh so the problem is that you need a basic education of the severity of various drugs.

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_addiction]Drug addiction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    Caffeine and nicotine simply do not compare to meth.

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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Please take a moment to finish your post with the second half of your argument.
    Why should we ban hard drugs, but not something that has done far more damage to society than every hard drug combined?

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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    There is no firearm equivalent to chemical dependency.

    The analogy still stands. Ultimately responsibility lies with the individual, not the object

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