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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I think you are high to equate the legalization of something that is harmless to others like taking drugs, to the legalization of murder. Do I even need to comment on this?
    Obviously no one else has. It really doesn't deserve a response. When you are willing to kill people because they sell dead plants to people then you are pretty far out there.
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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Quote Originally Posted by reffedjib
    I think you are high to equate the legalization of something that is harmless to others like taking drugs, to the legalization of murder. Do I even need to comment on this?
    Nobody is going to force you to comment on it if you don't want to, I suppose.

    However, while you might have a case that low-end drugs like pot are relatively harmless, or at least no more harmful than currently legal drugs, there's only so far that you can go with it. Arguing that drugs like heroin, LSD and cocaine are harmless is idiotic.

    Further, I was only extending your own claim. You argued that people are going to do drugs anyhow, so why make it illegal. Well people are going to murder anyhow. No amount of laws against it or punishments for doing it are going to eliminate murder. Therefore, by the logic you set up, we ought to decriminalize murder. Maybe we can set up a quota system, you can't kill more than, say, one person a week. Sound reasonable to you?

    The fact is, society has a right to determine what is acceptable behavior and what is not. They have, by and large, determined that drugs of a certain category ought to be controlled substances and illegal for individual use. There may be exceptions, such as medical marijuana, but overall it's not going to be legal any time soon. Drugs are harmful to individuals, drugs are harmful to families and communities, drugs are harmful to society. No one has put forward a rational argument to demonstrate otherwise.
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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Those drugs cause crime BECAUSE there is a black market for them, created by the war on drugs.
    There's a black market for murder too, if you really want to you can go out and hire an assassin to kill someone. Should we just give up on our "war on murder"?
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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Quote Originally Posted by stalin_was_a_nice_being View Post
    I can think of a legitimate reason. Drugs would create addicts and addicts would create crime as an excuse for thier bad behavior and their would be many people who would sympathize with these criminals. Drugs can't be legal because it alters a person's brain chemistry, hell I'm even in favor of war being illegal because war ruins every participant in it. You either die or come home a misery.
    Prohibition only keeps addicts underground for fear of reprisal from the government. Allowing competent adults to use drugs freely would allow for addicts to get help without fear of arrest

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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    While I might agree with you regarding pot, there's nothing harmless about meth; there's nothing harmless about cocaine.

    These drugs destroy families and increase the crime rate. Like murder, they need to remain banned.

    The fact that some token minority will brake a law is no justification to remove that law entirely, thus greatly increasing the frequency of that behavior far beyond the original token minority.



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    Alcohol has done far far more damage to society, when it was legal or not, than all hard drugs combined

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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Don't just decriminalize it, although that's a step in the right direction. Legalize it. That will drive the cartels out of the picture. How is the current War on Drugs' effect on organized crime any differant than Prohibition's?

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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    There's a black market for murder too, if you really want to you can go out and hire an assassin to kill someone. Should we just give up on our "war on murder"?
    Firstly, life is a right. Having other people not do drugs isn't. Secondly, there isn't a large market for murder. There is one for drugs, therefore, a large black market.

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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Nobody is going to force you to comment on it if you don't want to, I suppose.

    However, while you might have a case that low-end drugs like pot are relatively harmless, or at least no more harmful than currently legal drugs, there's only so far that you can go with it. Arguing that drugs like heroin, LSD and cocaine are harmless is idiotic.
    Why don't we ban alcohol and Tobacco? both have done far more damage to society than hard drugs no matter what way you look at it

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Further, I was only extending your own claim. You argued that people are going to do drugs anyhow, so why make it illegal. Well people are going to murder anyhow. No amount of laws against it or punishments for doing it are going to eliminate murder. Therefore, by the logic you set up, we ought to decriminalize murder. Maybe we can set up a quota system, you can't kill more than, say, one person a week. Sound reasonable to you?
    Except that drug use by itself, is a victimless crime.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The fact is, society has a right to determine what is acceptable behavior and what is not. They have, by and large, determined that drugs of a certain category ought to be controlled substances and illegal for individual use. There may be exceptions, such as medical marijuana, but overall it's not going to be legal any time soon. Drugs are harmful to individuals, drugs are harmful to families and communities, drugs are harmful to society. No one has put forward a rational argument to demonstrate otherwise.
    It has no right to ban victimless actions that people keep to themselves. As long as no one else's rights are being violated, one may do as they please. Adultery has many of the same effects on society as drug abuse, yet that's still legal.

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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    These drugs destroy families and increase the crime rate. Like murder, they need to remain banned.
    The drugs do no such thing. Some individuals who lack self-control and/or who have a tendency towards violence do those things. Much like guns don't kill people, but people who lack self control, education, and tend toward violence DO kill people. We don't ban guns, we teach people how to use them properly and punish those who use them improperly.

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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    There's a black market for murder too, if you really want to you can go out and hire an assassin to kill someone. Should we just give up on our "war on murder"?
    Nope, because murder actually has a victim.
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