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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    This interests me, could you post the link please?
    Montana Speed Report - just a report on how fast people actually drove in the couple of years following the speed limit lift.

    Montana: No Speed Limit - Safety Paradox - Press Releases - National Motorists Association

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_in_the_United_States]Speed limits in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame] - Scroll down to Montana. You'll see that the limits were posted again due to the vagueness of "reasonable and prudent" and not because of any safety issues.

    Reasonable and prudent

    On March 10, 1996,[81] a Montana patrolman issued a speeding ticket to a driver traveling at 90 mph (145 km/h) on a stretch of State Highway 200. The 50 year-old driver was operating a 1996 Camaro with fewer than 10,000 miles (16,000 km) on the odometer. Although the officer gave no opinion as to what would have been a reasonable speed, the driver was convicted. The driver appealed to the Montana Supreme Court. The Court reversed the conviction in case No. 97-486 on December 23, 1998; it held that a law requiring drivers to drive at a non-numerical "reasonable and proper" speed "is so vague that it violates the Due Process Clause ... of the Montana Constitution".

    Effective May 28, 1999, as a result of that decision, the Montana Legislature established a speed limit of 75 mph.

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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Montana Speed Report - just a report on how fast people actually drove in the couple of years following the speed limit lift.

    Montana: No Speed Limit - Safety Paradox - Press Releases - National Motorists Association

    Speed limits in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - Scroll down to Montana. You'll see that the limits were posted again due to the vagueness of "reasonable and prudent" and not because of any safety issues.
    Turns out that speeding is just as dangerous as driving below the speed limit.
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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Why do I need other people to validate my innate desire to live free?
    Just because you desire something doesn't make it so. I'm sure there are plenty of people in prison who desire to live free, doesn't mean they get to.

    If society says you don’t have the “right” to life and someone starts strangling you will you just sit there until you asphyxiate because society never validated your desire to live?
    There's a difference between the biological desire for self-survival and having a "right" to survive. If you're out in the middle of the African bush and get attacked by lions, I don't think they're going to give a damn about your "right to life".
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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The potheads you hung out with must have been lightweights if they only smoked a joint or two in a day.
    If only man could learn to moderate his vices.
    First he must learn what a "vice " is.
    Maybe this is why the drugs are illegal.

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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Ya man:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfduFy26EE0&feature=player_embedded"]YouTube - The Toyes- Smoke Two Joints[/ame]

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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Maybe there are some drugs we can keep illegal, like designer drugs and such. But for the most part, drugs should be decriminalized. Rather the drug trade be controlled by Wall Street than foreign drug lords and the government.
    Which is the least of these three "evils" ?
    Our government, IMO, and to keep it relatively free of evil, we need better people participating in the process.

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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Nice.lol......................

    Check This Out
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSP0Jh63cu0"]YouTube - Smoke 2 Joints -Spm[/ame]
    Last edited by jr602az; 10-16-09 at 02:16 PM.

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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Just because you desire something doesn't make it so.


    What does this sentence even mean?

    I'm sure there are plenty of people in prison who desire to live free, doesn't mean they get to.
    So? It doesn't change the fact that they all possess an innate desire to live free.

    There's a difference between the biological desire for self-survival and having a "right" to survive.
    No, there isn't, because that's really what "rights" are; a self-evident desire to live free that all humans possess. Rights aren't supposed to be viewed like a magic force field. Rights are a CONCEPT that holds true throughout all of humanity, with or without societies and laws. We all desire to live free and will resist any attempts to abrogate that desire. That's why a right can exist without society's permission. Here, Thomas Jefferson will explain:

    "The principles on which we engaged, of which the charter of our independence is the record, were sanctioned by the laws of our being, and we but obeyed them in pursuing undeviatingly the course they called for. It issued finally in that inestimable state of freedom which alone can ensure to man the enjoyment of his equal rights."

    "A free people [claim] their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as the gift of their chief magistrate."

    "Of liberty I would say that, in the whole plenitude of its extent, it is unobstructed action according to our will. But rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual."
    If you're out in the middle of the African bush and get attacked by lions, I don't think they're going to give a damn about your "right to life".
    Well duh! Just because our rights can be violated doesn't mean they don't exist as a matter of rational self-evidence.

    Either way, the Constitution, if read properly, would protect such a right as a I espouse. The government is not given the authority to prohibit drug use so that means they aren’t allowed to do it.

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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal
    What does this sentence even mean?
    It's sad that I have to explain the difference between wishful thinking and reality to you. I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who wish they could fly like Superman, but the reality is, they can't. It's a mature and rational mind that learns to accept it's limitations. Give it a shot.

    Well duh! Just because our rights can be violated doesn't mean they don't exist as a matter of rational self-evidence.
    That's got to be one of the stupidest things I've read in a long time. For one thing, self-evidence is a contradictory term. There is evidence, that which we can present to others and exists objectively. Then there is wishful thinking, that which an individual wants to think is true, even if they cannot defend it rationally, critically or logically. You seem to be painfully full of the latter.

    Either way, the Constitution, if read properly, would protect such a right as a I espouse. The government is not given the authority to prohibit drug use so that means they aren’t allowed to do it.
    Sure... read properly. Translate that as the way *YOU* want it read. Geez, no wonder people think libertarians are so nuts. News flash for you, Cinderella, the government is made up *OF THE PEOPLE*. The government can do whatever the people want. In fact, if enough people want it, they can amend the constitution and revoke any of your cherished rights they feel like and there isn't a goddamn thing you can do about it.

    Time to wake up and smell the roses. Reality guffaws at your wishful thinking.
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    Re: Mexico Decriminalizes All Drugs!

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    That's got to be one of the stupidest things I've read in a long time. For one thing, self-evidence is a contradictory term. There is evidence, that which we can present to others and exists objectively. Then there is wishful thinking, that which an individual wants to think is true, even if they cannot defend it rationally, critically or logically. You seem to be painfully full of the latter.
    If a right is a social construct, then all he would need to do is evidence society agreeing that such a right exist. Rights formed by society exist even when the random token exception chooses to disagree.

    The person who denies the right needs to understand that the right exists non the less within that society, despite their singular objection. That person needs to go outside of that society to be free from that right.
    Last edited by Jerry; 10-16-09 at 05:10 PM.

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