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    Do you agree with this platform?

    Dunno if anyone gets Campaign for Liberty mailings but a few days ago I got a mailing about Retake Congress > Home. The purpose is to get true liberty loving leaders in Washington. Their platform consists of the following:



    The Economy: Honesty and transparency must be returned to our financial system. There should be a thorough investigation and evaluation of the Federal Reserve System. The arbitrary power to create money with no oversight must be ended. There should be no increase in the national debt. The Federal Government needs to stay out of the affairs of private business. There should be no taxpayer bailouts of corporations and no corporate subsidies.
    Individual Rights: Individual rights and sovereignty are supreme and inherent. The proper role of government is to protect our unalienable rights to life, liberty, and property. The federal government must serve the people by protecting these rights within the borders of the states that make up the union. We must repeal the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, and the FISA legislation. We must reject the notion and practice of torture, elimination of habeas corpus, secret tribunals, and secret prisons. We must deny immunity for corporations that spy willingly on the American people for the benefit of the government. We must return the checks and balances as intended by the founders. The illegal use of signing statements and illegal use of executive orders must be ended. The government must not regulate the content of the media.

    Foreign Policy: We must stand for a strong national defense. The military is the main responsibility of the Federal Government. Our military should be used to protect only our citizens and defend our borders. We need to get our troops out of foreign countries and politics. Our foreign policy should not impose our will or way of life on other nations. We must not act as world police. We must reject international treaties that could destroy our national sovereignty.
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    Re: Do you agree with this platform?

    More right wing/libertarian garbage, and I agree with a little of it....this scares me..
    Its fiverous?.

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    Re: Do you agree with this platform?

    It's too "uncaring" for lack of a better word.

    However, I agree that we should stop worrying putting our forces into other countries, let's protect our own nation before "protecting" other ones.

    A govt pull out of the economy will lead massive deregulation, which will lead to chaos. The libertarian ideals here will work only if people are, on the majority, honest. Americans are not as honest and responsible as these ideals state. The most deserving country is given to the least deserving people.


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    Re: Do you agree with this platform?

    The one thing I'll give it is they at least aren't completely laughable by calling for the Repeat of PATRIOT while not calling for the repeal of FISA, though they missed Title III of the OMNIBUS Crime Control and Safe Streets act.

    Other than that, in the basic statements its making and the focuses it has, I wouldn't reject the platform but it doesn't exactly make me want to run towards it either. Its kind of just meh, mostly fluff, and focusing on aspects of their ideals I don't care about, disagree with them on, or don't want to go to the extreme they wish to go

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    Re: Do you agree with this platform?

    An end to the regulation of "private business" would permit the internal authoritarianism of that sector to go unchecked and undermine equality of opportunity by facilitating more rapid capital accumulation based on theft. The advocacy of immigration restrictions is also decidedly incompatible with libertarianism.

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    Re: Do you agree with this platform?

    Foreign Policy: We must stand for a strong national defense. The military is the main responsibility of the Federal Government. Our military should be used to protect only our citizens and defend our borders. We need to get our troops out of foreign countries and politics. Our foreign policy should not impose our will or way of life on other nations. We must not act as world police. We must reject international treaties that could destroy our national sovereignty.
    The national interest of the US -- that is, the interests of the people of the United States, an expression of their right to pursue happiness -- necessitates that the US military have the capacity to respond to threats to that interest. This means the basing of military assets outside the US and the use of those assets when necessary.

    There is no question that the US economy is of vital national interest, and an interest of the people of the US, individually and collectively; to this end the protection of the US ecomomy as it is connected to the 'outside' world is a legitimate use of the US military.

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    Re: Do you agree with this platform?

    I think all those are rather reasonable.
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    Re: Do you agree with this platform?

    The stance on the economy is a little frightening. In that case, it's too libertarian. Other than that it's very refreshing.
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    Re: Do you agree with this platform?

    This part bothers me:

    Foreign Policy: We must reject international treaties that could destroy our national sovereignty.
    The downsize of such treaties is that we lose freedom of action. The upside is that others lose freedom of action. IMO, that's a decent trade off. When you don't have to resort to war to stop another country's actions, that's a big plus. While we don't get to do whatever we want, but neither does Russia. I view that line as essentially reverting back to the natural state of man rather then under Locke and Hobbes where we get some semblance of security in trading some freedoms. I'd rather America be restricted if everyone else rather then America being unrestricted and everyone is unrestricted.
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    Re: Do you agree with this platform?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    The downsize of such treaties is that we lose freedom of action. The upside is that others lose freedom of action. IMO, that's a decent trade off. When you don't have to resort to war to stop another country's actions, that's a big plus. While we don't get to do whatever we want, but neither does Russia. I view that line as essentially reverting back to the natural state of man rather then under Locke and Hobbes where we get some semblance of security in trading some freedoms. I'd rather America be restricted if everyone else rather then America being unrestricted and everyone is unrestricted.
    The problem I have with some of those treaties is we're obligated to follow the rules even when the other party doesn't. The conflict in Iraq, both when we were fighting Sadam's forces and insurgents is a prime example. We abide by the rules of war, but the other side does not. To me if the other side doesn't play by the rules, and it is detrimental to our troops or achieving our goals, we should be cleared of any obligation to follow those same rules.

    Bilateral treaties with other nations, where both sides agree to forego certain practices or freedoms for mutual benefit are fine by me. But us agreeing to take certain options off the table completely no matter what our opponents do, doesn't make sense to me.
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