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    Re: Who would do best against Obama in a debate?

    I would argue your approach to Darfur is the simple and unrealistic idea. Bush strengthened sanctions on U.S. business-Darfur relations. Why is this the solution to such a horrible problem? As a result, other countries have stepped in to take the place of the US.

    I recommend reading this article to get a better idea of the situation...

    BBC NEWS | Africa | US sanctions 'won't help Darfur'

    Again, your "solution" does not help the people of Sudan and is not realistic to the world we live in.

    The article you cited was about military conflict. In other words, trade with other countries, but no alliances.

    What do you think his stance on abortion, gay rights, and US military bases is? Nothing about his stances in these areas is extreme. I believe they are more reasonable than the views held by the majority of politicians
    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    Re: Who would do best against Obama in a debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Whats this? Suppose libertarians want to regulate the finance industry or risky deep sea oil drilling? Protect consumers? They don't want to privatise government services to the private sector? They don't want to limit the governments powers and destroy the value of the vote? I mean basically they want to turn the government into something that is basically ineffectual which in turn makes your democracy a farce. Want more public apathy about democracy turn your government into a yes man for corperations and the "free market".
    Our government is already a "yes man" for corporations. We do not live in a free market. You think federal bailouts of banks is something libertarians advocate? Yes, deregulate companies, but not all regulations are bad. How is limiting government destroying democracy? And where is this democracy you speak of?
    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    Re: Who would do best against Obama in a debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    Our government is already a "yes man" for corporations. We do not live in a free market. You think federal bailouts of banks is something libertarians advocate? Yes, deregulate companies, but not all regulations are bad. How is limiting government destroying democracy? And where is this democracy you speak of?
    True, but further concessions won't make it less compliant.

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    Re: Who would do best against Obama in a debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Holy crap, this is more serious than I thought....

    Argumentum ad populum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    In other words, you have failed basic reading comprehension. If I say, the majority of the country is in disagreement with Ron Paul's ideas and thus will not vote for him. This is VERIFIED by the number of people who for him.
    So your point was that, since he didn't get a large number of votes in the last election (which isn't even true, as he garnered +70% of the vote in the last election for Congress; he wasn't on the presidential ballot in 2008), he must be crazy. Appeal to popularity would not be a fallacy if you had said people believe he is not fit for the presidency or something similar. But saying that he is crazy because nobody votes for him is ridiculous.

    Anyway, I don't know why you are so against him. He's all in favor of legalizing marijuana.

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    Re: Who would do best against Obama in a debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    So your point was that, since he didn't get a large number of votes in the last election (which isn't even true, as he garnered +70% of the vote in the last election for Congress; he wasn't on the presidential ballot in 2008), he must be crazy.
    No. That would be an appeal to popularity. Which is what you keep straw manning my arguments as. Are your parents home? Can I have a talk with them? I'd like to know why you're so ignorant when it comes to fallacies.

    Appeal to popularity would not be a fallacy if you had said people believe he is not fit for the presidency or something similar.
    You mean like saying people won't vote for him because they think he's crazy? Well I guess not.

    But saying that he is crazy because nobody votes for him is ridiculous.
    Which is what I said. Here is my post again:

    Yeah, the only baggage he has is that 99% of the country thinks he's somebody's crazy uncle.
    Now explain to us all how saying 'the only baggage he has is that 99% of the country thinks he's crazy' is the same as saying 'the only baggage he has is that he's crazy so 99% of the country won't vote for him' - I'll explain to you the key word here : thinks.

    Anyway, I don't know why you are so against him. He's all in favor of legalizing marijuana.
    If I were a one issue voter like yourself - who only needs the approval of Ron Paul to be in favor of it - then yes - I guess that would be a reason for me to like him.

    Seriously, your arguments have been destroyed. You tried to play the fallacies game with me and lost. What was it you said a few pages ago?

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    Re: Who would do best against Obama in a debate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Seriously, your arguments have been destroyed. You tried to play the fallacies game with me and lost.
    Whatever you say, hero ...
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    Emphasis mine.

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