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    Should the 17th Amendment be removed?

    The 17th Amendment allows the elections of senators. Apparently the reason for the 17th was to combat corruption, well as we have seen with some of the career senators that point seems to be moot. I just read this piece that makes a good point on how the way it used to be regarding them (the state legislator appointed them).

    Prior to 1913, Members of the Senate were chosen by state legislatures to be the agents of those governments in Washington, D.C., much like ambassadors today at the United Nations. The framers’ legislative design was subtle, but ingenious: While a Member of the House would represent the interests of the people as citizens, a Senator would represent the very different interests of the people’s sovereign state governments. This structure embodied the original meaning of the term “separation of powers.” The legislature would domicile two distinct powers (the people and the states) to compete bill by bill for the direction and scope of the federal government.
    http://www.rollcall.com/issues/55_35/guest/39156-1.html

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    Re: Should the 17th Amendment be removed?

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    The 17th Amendment allows the elections of senators. Apparently the reason for the 17th was to combat corruption, well as we have seen with some of the career senators that point seems to be moot. I just read this piece that makes a good point on how the way it used to be regarding them (the state legislator appointed them).



    http://www.rollcall.com/issues/55_35/guest/39156-1.html

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    I think the Senate's role from the original intention has faded long ago.

    Just another corrupt body for us to watch over...except they are SO MUCH MORE powerful than house members.

    Term Limits, man.

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    Re: Should the 17th Amendment be removed?

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    The 17th Amendment allows the elections of senators. Apparently the reason for the 17th was to combat corruption, well as we have seen with some of the career senators that point seems to be moot. I just read this piece that makes a good point on how the way it used to be regarding them (the state legislator appointed them).



    Senate Vacancies Raise Questions of Framers’ Intentions - Roll Call

    What do you think?
    What do you think would improve by moving the power to select Senators back from citizens to state legislatures?

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    Re: Should the 17th Amendment be removed?

    Exactly what it was supposed to be for -- to give the state government direct representation in the national government and make it less likely that federalism will be violated. It's run roughshod ever since the amendment was ratified.

    It's a check against the federal government in favor of the states. It's another division of power, and divided power is good.

    This should be done.
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    Re: Should the 17th Amendment be removed?

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    The 17th Amendment allows the elections of senators. Apparently the reason for the 17th was to combat corruption, well as we have seen with some of the career senators that point seems to be moot. I just read this piece that makes a good point on how the way it used to be regarding them (the state legislator appointed them).



    Senate Vacancies Raise Questions of Framers’ Intentions - Roll Call

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    No, it shouldn't. Not on principle, but on practice. I understand the point of having separated the two houses, and the necessity of having the State represented as well as the People. However, one of the largest motivations to the implementation of the 17th amendment was because in practice the thing became horribly...horribly corrupt. You saw States not always seating all their senators because of internal politics and such. In the end, the direct election of them was to get around the problems of having State legislature with the signing off of the governor appointing Senators. Maybe there could be a better mechanism in place to ensure that the States had to seat the senators chosen by the legislature, but there would have to be something there to make sure that happened. As it stood, it became a pretty bad institution.

    I do wish that regardless of how the senator is elected, they would understand that their duty is not to the People, but to the State. That is lost in current politics...but actually a lot is lost in current politics.
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    Re: Should the 17th Amendment be removed?

    Politicians stay in line only when they're afraid of losing their jobs; they have no incentive at all to keep the interests of the State in mind.
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    Re: Should the 17th Amendment be removed?

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    The 17th Amendment allows the elections of senators. Apparently the reason for the 17th was to combat corruption, well as we have seen with some of the career senators that point seems to be moot. I just read this piece that makes a good point on how the way it used to be regarding them (the state legislator appointed them).



    Senate Vacancies Raise Questions of Framers’ Intentions - Roll Call

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    I do not imagine anything would be gained by getting rid of the 17th amendment. The constitution is too valuable to change for minor reasons, and that is what this is.
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    Re: Should the 17th Amendment be removed?

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    The 17th Amendment allows the elections of senators. Apparently the reason for the 17th was to combat corruption, well as we have seen with some of the career senators that point seems to be moot. I just read this piece that makes a good point on how the way it used to be regarding them (the state legislator appointed them).



    Senate Vacancies Raise Questions of Framers’ Intentions - Roll Call

    What do you think?
    I support the right of the people to pick their elected representatives on all levels of government. If anything the only thing that should happen is lengthy residency requirement laws to run for office to eliminate carpet bagging and to impose term limits, these things would eliminate corruption. After all we impose term limits for president so why should a senator or congressmen or any elected official be able to run for unlimited terms. Nor do we let foreign born citizens to be president( birther morons please save your conspiracies for the conspiracy forum section), so why shouldn't the same standard apply basically to everyone else wanting to run for office or at least a lengthy residency requirement.
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    Re: Should the 17th Amendment be removed?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I support the right of the people to pick their elected representatives on all levels of government. If anything the only thing that should happen is lengthy residency requirement laws to run for office to eliminate carpet bagging and to impose term limits, these things would eliminate corruption. After all we impose term limits for president so why should a senator or congressmen or any elected official be able to run for unlimited terms. Nor do we let foreign born citizens to be president( birther morons please save your conspiracies for the conspiracy forum section), so why shouldn't the same standard apply basically to everyone else wanting to run for office or at least a lengthy residency requirement.
    So you favor direct voting by the public to fill Congressional committee seats, chairmanships and so forth?
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    Re: Should the 17th Amendment be removed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    So you favor direct voting by the public to fill Congressional committee seats, chairmanships and so forth?
    Yes.The more control the people have the more those in office realize that they work for us and are our employees.
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